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Jason Spalding

It is that simple and still people can't see the truth if it hits them in the face. Maybe when a few more thousand people evaporate they will. Its always funny when people can't see how the magician pulled a rabit out of a hat!

Always On Watch

This article might be worth your time.

Always On Watch

Well, that link didn't work. Here it is, the long way:

This article might be worth your time:

http://alwaysonwatch.blogspot.com/2006/03/defining-islamismand-book-review.html

Steve Sinnott

Biggest load of horseshit ever. Raymond S. Kraft clearly has no concept of the causes of warfare, and the history of WWII.

In addition, he's a hypocrite and ignorant of american geopolitical influence.

dan ciccone

Raymond Kraft says the American Liberals just don't get it, well as a Republican Conserviative, I just don't get it either. Why is defeating a cultural ideology an American fight? To put this current situation in perspective with Hilter and WWII is nonsense. While the author makes loud noises about patriotism and America's need to turn a cultural and religious fanatic sect around, the argument does not have to be met head on by just Americans. We stepped into this horrible no-win situation knowing full well the Billions of dollars it would cost,the thousands of lives it would cost us, and for what? I served in the military, have sons that served in the Marines and feel very strongly about our country and its values. But, we are being led down the wrong path by the wrong leader at the wrong time with the wrong senate and congress. Bush's administration, when viewed objectively in the years ahead, will be viewed as one of the most inept and incompetent administrations of our time. God Bless Us and God Bless America.

Mark Weber

This letter from a Calif Attorney I found well presented and like most attorney arguments excellent in the debate department and sorely lacking lacking in the truth and honesty department.
Let us not forget that 63 years ago it was a gift of G W B ush's grandfather Prescott Bush who along with his big banking buddies and employers (? who employed who?) like Harriman & Brown that financed the Nazi regime and installed Mr. Hitler into power. The Nazi exterminations were much like the regime of Saddam in that it was equipped for mass death by US interests. Today we have Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney to thank for leading the forefront in installing and manipulating middle east atrocities through CIA, Global banking, Oil and Energy companies and the death of millions in Iraq and neighboring middle east countries. Never a direct threat to mainland US. There is no evidence forthcoming to show Saddam was exporting terrorists when in FACT we are told it was Saudi Arabians the underwriters strongest friends and closest business associates of our current administrataion that supplied the manpower, training and financing for 9/11.
Mr. Kaft reminds us of Pearl Harbor and how it devastated US Naval strength. Historical facts point out that the US knew of the oncoming attack and that the main Naval strengths had been evacuated from Pearl Harbor and all that remained to be devastated in the attack were ships already on the soon to be mothballed list. Most unfortunately the planners neglected to remove the American sailors out of harm's way. Very much like the M.O. of 9/11 attacks on the World Trade center. There is an overabundance of evidence that this horrific feat is not at all what it is reported to be. Like every entry into war there is a fuse that lacks credence and points to manipulation i.e. the burning of the German Reichstag blamed on the German liberal left and we now know it was the Nazi's themselves that lit the fire that unified Germany around the puppet dictator of the Bush legacy. Let's see... the Lusitania was sunk in great outrage bringing us war and we now have proof that munitions were indeed aboard that civilian ship, The Maine was sunk in Cuba and we now know that she was not attacked but blown up from within....and on and on.
In the words of Sun Tzu in THE ART OF WAR, "ALL WAR IS DECEIT"!
In his well laid assessment of WW II I take strong exception to the weak analogies between WWII and Iraq. The strongest point I agree with in Mr. Kraft's letter is the observation that Americans made enormous sacrifices of money, time, labor, materials to support the WWII war effort. What bothers me is where does he point out that Americans have sacrificed absolutely nothing for the current war effort with the exception of US security and strength. We all have new SUVs sucking up gas at 80 mph on the highways. Where is our material support of this great Iraq spearhead affront to global terrorism? The wealthy are gloating and gouging at the trough, enjoying insane tax cuts while our treasury in not only plundered but US interests being parsed off to foreign interests. Why are we not outraged that Halliburton will pay a truck driver in Iraq $100,000 a year while American military lives are wasted protecting his route. Must we watch while Bechtel Corp. is paid millions of millions to refurbish schools in Iraq then bring in the military to do the clean up and paint the buildings that must be then torn down because they are too damaged to stand safely. Must the highly profitable and effective use of depleted Uranium in our weaponry be allowed to kill our own troops ever so slowly and as that dust settles into Europe thereby exporting those same health problems?
WHY IS NO ONE DEMANDING TO KNOW WHERE THE 9 BILLION DOLLARS THAT INITIALLY WENT MISSING IN IRAQ WENT?!?!?!?
We have watched our BIll of Rights shredded, the US Constitution thrown to the floor and in the literal words of our dear president "It's only a piece of paper"!
Mr Kraft if you ever see this response I do want to say that your words sound like those of a WWII vet. If that is true I do honestly salute you with a tear in my eye. If on the other hand you are with the majority of our current government representatives and have enjoyed priviledge and deferment from service then I truly despise you and either way I will remain determined to speak up everytime one of these emotionally packed good sounding but totally off base accounts are presented.
Just for the record. I am not a liberal. I am not a Democrat. I AM AN AMERICAN and I AM FIGHTING FOR MY COUNTRY WITH WHAT LITTLE I HAVE TO PRESERVE THE GOODNESS AND INTEGRITY OF THE GREATEST NATION!
Mark Weber

I do hope someone has the means to pass this back through the internet from whence it came and hopefully reach the attention of Mr. Raymond S. Kraft.

Debbie

Mark, I appreciate all you have said, and I actually agree with you on some points. I thank you for your service to our country.

I have not been so happy with President Bush myself lately. While I still think he is better than any Democrat that has stepped forward on the war on terror, Bush doesn't seem to be listening to his core voters. It's like what WE the voters want doesn't matter any more.

Shouldn't the government rule as the people want, and not however they want?

Thanks for stopping by and it will be no problem to find Mr. Kraft's email address and send this on to him.

Debbie

freedom

"The Liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. But if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

If the Jihad wins, it will be the death of Liberalism.

Sadly, American Liberals just don't get it."

This is true for liberals everywhere! They still don't get it. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Debbie

You are so right Freedom!

John

Kraft needs to read up a bit on WWII- namely, his omission of China as a major ally is a bit bizarre, considering their contributions to the Allied cause landed them a permanent veto in the United Nations. Their resistance tied down the majority of the Japanese military, and they lost an estimated 10 million people. Furthermore, he oddly chooses to separate Scotland from England. If that's how he's playing, why neglect Wales? Furthermore, Ireland was "non-aligned" during WWII, and if he meant Northern Ireland then he needs to be more concise.

France was certainly an ally as well. Petain, the commander of the Vichy government, was a puppet and only had mimimal contributions to the Axis war plans. It could be said that Croatia contributed more under Pavelic. It should also be noted that despite France's stance as being a cowardly nation (why does no one harp on Denmark?) they still lost more than the US did during the war. Finally, stating that all of Europe from Italy to Norway was under German control is misleading. It's a vague geographical description, and certainly neither Switzerland nor Sweden were ever under German occupation.

Debbie

John, thank you so much for your comments. I'm by no means a historian, so I appreciate anyone who is making comments/corrections.

This article was originally emailed to me and when I read it I thought it was great.

As you can see, it has stirred up a log on comments, both for and against.

I'm not afraid to say I am learning a lot as I muddle along.

Thanks for sharing.

V2ROT8

First of all, we are Americans first and foremost. Enough about this "liberal" vs. "conservative" fodder. Before the war, I read a little book called "Jihad". It would have been nice if the administration had read it as well.

Mark brings up excellent points regarding Halliburton and other corporate entities involved in this debacle. I believe Dan is correct in his assessment of the current administration as well. GWB and his elite cronies basically shot the UN and the rest of the world "the bird" and chose to go it alone, with an agenda of their own design. Unfortunately, now when we could use the help of the rest of the world, because we behaved in a bullying fashion, no one wants to assist.

Mr. Kraft wants us to believe this is the Reformation vs. the Inquisition. Well, we didn't go into the UAE or any of the other "reformation" countries in the Middle East and use force to coerce them into change, and I highly doubt the our President actually sat there thinking about this as an issue! Besides, let's say for the sake of argument we succeed in setting up Iraq as a democracy with all the benefits thereof. Whose to say that eventually, the people of Iraq would not choose to elect a radical Islamic extremist to lead the country? And let's not eliminate the possibility of a coup, since that seems to be the favorite way of overtaking governments in that part of the world.

MSgt G. L. White

Rather than nitpicking Kraft for failing to mention "allies" like China and France, it might be more helpful to point out real errors like the "24 million" at Stalingrad and Moscow. I believe it should be "two point four" million, though estimates are necessarily mushy. Kraft is overall pretty accurate, and I agree with most of his points, though I am less optimistic that there is any real "Reformation" happening in the Islamic world. The ten percent psychopaths and the ten percent power-hungry effectively control the other 80%, most of whom are rabidly anti-Western if not maniacally Muslim and are a malleable rabble at best. Even Turkey, once a definitely secular government, is slipping into the Wahabbi mania and can no longer be considered a secular state.

When dealing with a backward, insular society where dying for your religion is the heighth of one's ambition, I am reminded of the Japanese in the 40s. I believe that if we had not shocked the crap out of them with the two atomic bombs, they'd have happily followed their Emperor into a suicidal defense of the Home Islands. And I suspect that only something big -- not necessarily a nuclear strike -- will convince them that they cannot win and should not fight against overwhelming force.

Fighting a "nice" war, avoiding civilian casualties and collateral damage, is seldom smart. Unless and until we decide to use REAL force, civilian sympathizers will continue to hide the Jihadists in their midst. Once they know their neighborhoods -- or their village -- will suffer massive reprisals, that will change.

Fiddling about, gaining little but time, only increases the chances that Wahabbi will win. With time, and a half-hearted response from us, they could win by attrition, both in the Middle East and in the U.S. Their massive immigration to America is no accident.

Debbie

Excellent comments, MSgt. White, and thank you for them and contributing to the debate.

This particular article has sparked much debate from many directions, as you can see from these comments.

I agree with your comments.

Thomas Hamilton

I think it's time to shock the crap out of them with a couple of ATOMIC bombs. A couple for Iran, maybe one for Syria? Anyone else? Yes! The world would be appalled! We would be villified worldwide!

Make it clear that the next little half-ass Islamic dictator that starts beating his chest will get one too!

I just betcha all this crap would stop in short order, I just betcha!

Debbie

Thanks for your comments on this article, Thomas. It has been a very popular one and caused a lot of debate. If we don't learn from history,we're in trouble.

Mike K Brewer

There was a time back around the turn of the last century, when Gen. Black Jack Pursing, had a problem with the Muslims, he caught 10 of them,put them up before the firing squad, had his men to rub hog fat on the bullets, shot 9 of them, burred them in a grave, covered the bodies with the hog blood, and the rest of the hog, sent the one (not shot) back to report what had happened, NO MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE S.O.B.'S ,AFTER THAT.

Debbie

Wow, Mike, talk about sending a message! Old Black Jack knew how to do it. Couldn't get away with that these days. You would have the MSM, libs, and all sorts of groups tracking him down for court marshal.

Sue

I am so glad somebody finally said and said it just the way you did. I knew that history was trying to repeat itself and Bush saw it. As you said, some day the world will see this was another pivotal point in our world's history . . . thank you for spelling it out for us to see. The comparisons are unbelievable. The point about comparing Pearl Harbor to 9/11 was perfect . . . we only do something when . . . as well as the point about the liberal, pacifists . . I think we should suggest they go 'over there' and protest and see what happens to their right to protest!!!!

joey

rskraft @ vfr.net is this morons email address. Please anyone with any sense of historical truth tell this simplistic idiot where he is wrong.just a few observations
1.)How can ww2 start in 1928 if hitler did not come to power till 1933, espicially since the start of ww2 was widely known with hitlers invasion of poland in 1939?At earliest the pacific was started in 1937, not 1928...
2.)Vichy France was a nazi puppet government where they centralized there power in france.Leaders like frances famous charles de gaulle met with eisenhower and churchill before d-day. They were called the french resistance and did provide vital intelligence, forged papers and undercover for us agents.
3.)Britian, while low on cash reserves due had still a vast empire throughout Asia and Africa with much land even though parts of africa had been taken (land can equate to resources which can be sold for capital)Britian also gave us most of their carribean naval bases for exchange of essesntially the a blank check for weapons through the lend lease act.
4.)Roosevelt, the best president in history and the exact historical opposite to George W the jackass powered 5 years of industrial buildup . The us supplied weapons to most the allies including the russians until they got their industry moved back to the ural mountains and profited hugely off of allied loans after ww2. Industries at the time, such as airlines and the whole car industry resources such as alluminum , motors and engines were taken over by the governement (many ww2 civilian aircraft in america were made from wood due to war shortages-see twa and howard hughes old planes.) Food was also rationed and most people worked towards the war effort.Nothing is sacraficed for the iraq war.
5.)The perrvading view of arabs in this article is quite frankly sickening and shows the lack of depth and understanding of any conservative and how confused your right wing radio and tv has gotten you (it litterally reminds me of geobbels on radio berlin talking to his nazis, just chugged full of vitreal and lies and you mindless lemmings belive it...sad). 6.)There are very roughly 323 million people in Arab lands and according to all of you, they are all jihadis who want weapons of mass desctruction and chemical and nuclear death. Places such as egypt, the uae etcetera are good friends of ours want a civilized western life and hate terror.They have been lving peacefully for the last 40 years. Not every arab is a terrorist and to suggest so is ignorant and insulting to the millions of good arabs that live amongst us in america today .
7.)Saddam Hussein is a horrible guy, there is not a person on earth who does not beleive that the world is better without him in power. However, the evidence has shown that the only terror saddamn used was that against the iraquis.Saddamn hussein was not responsible for 9-11 and there has been no known linkages shown between the two. To suggest saddamn is a terrorist neglects the basic ideologicl tennants that the batth party which idea was a secular arab state that would unite all peoples and become strong under a strong leader. Not to become an islamic dictatorship under sharia law like Al Quada.??
7.)Japanesse Nazism??????Hilarious and again, shows how stupid mr kraft is. While the governments did have high level connections and envoys between each other the japanesse did not care about nazis or their racial theory. The japanesse cared about their emporer and their empire which at that time stretched throughout asia and he wanted expanded for power and resources. There is no evidence of japan enacting racial theory, running concentration camps (bad pow camps yes, concentration camps no). To say so is an outright lie.
8.)Mainly and what you concervative asses cant grip is the fact that we are not fighting terrorists in iraq. We are in the middle of a sunni/shia civil war power struggle which 100 people a week on average die and have given iran and hezbollah a base of governemnt right next door to iran.They also hate us since we waged an agressive war in a part of the world where white colonialists have waged war since the 1900's (post wwi formation of iraq).We have in essence created the opposite of the point of invading iraq, we have created a base for terrorism to thrive there and ohh it right next door to an enemy who hates us historically iran.

You people are really spun and spun hard, turn off rush and billo and open your eyes to the real world and raeal news .Mr. Craft, the assenine writer, you are insulting to those who have passed basic high school history and know history for what it is.Not your disgusting right wing lawyered spin on it.

anon

Whenever one thing turns out the way the folks who wanted the war in Iraq turns out the way they said it would, please let me know. Until then, I will assume you/they have no ability to assimilate facts and form sound judgements. In short: you are wrong and not to be taken seriously.

Chuck

Raymond S. Kraft is obviously a well-informed and alert attorney who does understand the importance of waging the current war; but the war against who and what ? According to Walid Shoebat the war is not against simple terrorism (not on terrorism, not on those few thousand of radical muslims that your prez g.b. proposes, but essentially on ALL islam. Walid Shoebat - the author of " WHY I LEFT JIHAD: the ROOT of TERRORISM and the RETURN of RADICAL ISLAM ".) He has been interviewed several times, most recently on Larry Elder's talkshow on www.kabc.com .
A poll of a great cross-section of middle-easterners (over 100,000) shouts volumes !! The poll suggested that 3/4 of muslims believe that infidels should be eliminated. Now go look in the mirror.....that is what an infidel looks like.
Some would say that islam is not even a religion, and no more than a cult as was the Waco, TX fanatic group which janet reno had eliminated. The common description of a religion is that it provides some benefit to its members and the community it serves. It promotes forgiveness and love of all; not just to its members, but to all peoples....that is until we climb into our cars and jump on the freeway after Sunday Mass.
Whether we should have invaded Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran or Syria or Saudi Arabia is almost a mute point. They are all muslim and according to Walid, all muslims attending mosques are exposed to recruitment as jihadists/terrorists !! All Imams are recuiters of death and destruction. It is how we have waged the war after we claimed the overthrow of Sadaam. We have have adhered to the policy of "respond in kind"... Guaranteed to lose our soldiers lives and prolong any conflict which will cause more deaths on the enemy's side as well.

We have been fed pablum as a society and required to stand down when it comes to the American Citizens' concerns and what is good for us. The aclu and united nations as well as cair and all the other anti-American organizations - mecha, la raza, aztlan, maldef, chirlac and lulac - thrive in our extremely-compassionate, over-tolerant society while Americans go wanting. The enemy adheres to NONE of the Geneva convention guidelines, but we are not only DICTATED to provide them every right that the Geneva Convention rules allow for, our very own supreme court DEMANDS that congress ramp up more humane rules of engagement, so we can avoid being called compassionateless and thus sleep better at night !!!! We prosecute our own soldiers for violations that have been magnified and blown out of proportion for the most part, but we are hard-pressed to take prisoners of war and keep them off the battle-field because of your aclu.

If we are not able to bring out ALL our heavy guns and use ANY and EVERY tool in our arsenal to COMPLETELY DEFEAT AND DESTROY their ability to conduct terrorist acts against us and all other infidel civilized nations, then we should all break out our prayer rugs now and bring on sharia law. It may save you ladies thousands of dollars each year... You will no longer have to use cosmetics or take care of your hair; just throw on your hijab.
You might consider going to a mosque to inquire becoming muslim someday; you will most certainly be given the white-washed, the abridged version of islam, both in literature, tapes, and sermons. As you are accepted more and more as a firm believer of islam, you will then be introduced to the more virulent, the more mainstream version of islam. And islam does not mean 'peace' as your prez g.b. would have you believe; it means submission !! You will submit to the ONE god allah or else ... !!!
If we cannot bring cataclysmic destruction to their doorstep, as they will certainly do to us when they enter the 20th century, then why combat them ? Why struggle economically as you climb into your 30 gallon tank suv and donate to the arabs day after day to their coffers ?

You want to end the war on 'terrorism' which is really just an euphemism for islam ?!!!!
Then look to Harry Truman and how he ended the war in the Pacific theatre. Look to how Israel is preparing to take care of business in their 60 year strife by prepping 3 nuclear-capable attack submarines which are heading to iran.
Profile ? If you examine your daily life, you will realize you are profiling everything including your children. But when it comes to deterring crime and enforcing our own laws for the survival of our nation, including our very own survival we thrash ourselves for the inhumane act of scrutinizing and analyzing those criminals and terrorists !! We even go to the self-destruction point of putting concerns of those who will destroy us before OUR NEEDS and WELFARE !! Special Order # 40 protects illegal invaders to our country by preventing law enforcement to perform their jobs and determine if suspects are here legally in our country. Now that more infidel nations are becoming aware of there being a few more hundreds of millions of muslims wanting only muslims to inhabit this globe, and immediately after the foiling of the muslims' latest architecture of death and destruction over the Atlantic, we (England's and the USA's law enforcement agencies) are now asking each other, how can we protect our muslim bretheren from any violent retaliation to the islam attempts to destroy all infidels ??!?!!? Huh !!???

Are you angry enough to dissolve and eliminate the aclu and the truly terrorist organization - united nations ?
www.grassfire.org We need to profile with impunity... It a tool all of America employs in business and relationships; but our law enforcement has been prevented in doing so by the aclu. Who is running America ?!?!?!?

Promote alternative energies to wean ourselves off of middle-eastern oil.
http://www.energybulletin.net/192.html write NASA and ask them when are they going to put their flights to good use ?!?
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http://www.sunpowercorp.com/home.html
http://www.theplancollection.com/tps/blueprints/passive_solar.asp?ID=0&BID=1&BID=1
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If Catholicism had any association with death and destruction as does islam, I can tell you without a doubt that I would dissassociate myself from Catholicism and their belief system. I would look for a more loving and benign religion or I would go without and be categorized as non-denominational or even agnostic. You see, I was also indoctrinated and inculcated with a belief system that was abnormal and difficult to grasp, but I also have a friggin' mind !!! I am able to choose and have the courage to decide between good and evil !!!

From the age of two, muslim children are inculcated with the belief that all the ills in the world are due to the Israelis, the Jews, and all infidels. All infidels must convert and submit to allah or be killed. So if the 'innocent' have joined the 'Borg' before the age of reason, is there ever any hope for wholesale reformation ? I think by nuclear blast only. To destroy an entrenched philosophy (it is not a true religion), there must be no influence from the already infected parent AND the schools and mosques need to be cleansed and rid of all hate and talk of anti-infidelism. How does one destroy a culture which loves death and the destruction of 'outsiders' MORE THAN than it loves its own children and family. Even allowing for oil exports, most islam countries will have a negative GNP, if they were to ever get to that level of gauging their own productivity. Negative, simply by virtue of the wanton destruction of their very own communities in which they live. If they turned their conniving and ruthless intelligence into good, then maybe the world could see some benefit of their existence. But as long as they get their form of education and 'religion' fed to them on a daily basis, and we do not interrupt that pipleline of evil, just put a fork in all infidels.

This is a test whether we even have a chance to win a war against a 600 AD culture. So tomorrow morning, you announce that America will pay no more than $50 a barrel oil to OPEC for the next 5 years. We (America) will need to form a 3 year Manhattan Project, which will deliver two or three alterntve fuel solutions for our nation, have it in place and running through our nation's network of fuel providers by the 4th year and by the end of the 4th year, we will no longer be importing oil. For those American oil companies that still elect to export oil outside our country, we simply exercise eminent domain and confiscate ALL their assets (deport its oil executives to saudi arabia)and sell it to the remaining patriotic oil corps. You will be given a device in your left hand; a trigger to 6 plutonium nuclear bombs - one each for damascus, baghdad, kabul, tehran, riyadh, peshawar, and jakarta. Those countries willing to accept our terms, will be removed from the trigger in your hand. In your right hand you will carry a pen that will be for signing a world-wide 'peace treaty' with our muslim bretheren. This 'treaty' will have been authorized by and incorporate a dozen of the united nations' most rigid resolutions safeguarding the entire world from any future terrorist acts by islam. America is required to pull out of all foreign countries including Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany, Philippines, Japan and Korea. The islam mosques have even conceded the inter-faith practice of inviting Christian pastors to preach in their dens of destruction.
Those countries not willing to comply with our non-negotiable terms, will be given a chance to approach and implore you.

Now Choose !!:
1) You gently place the nuclear trigger on the floor and step away; you then proudly and happily sign the 'peace treaty'.
2) You deliberate heavily and long (actual elapsed time = 1/32nd of a second) and pull the trigger in your left hand.

Did you save the world ? Do we have a chance ?

Debbie

I agree with all you said, Chuck. You need to read some of the other posts on this site and you would see my views.

K Watkins

Dear Attorney Kraft, before I send this article on, did you write it and post to the web?
Thanks!
Ken

Debbie

Ken, thank you for visiting Right Truth. I posted this article myself and I do not know Mr. Kraft. However, I plan to post his most recent article this afternoon. I hope you will come back to read it.

Raymond S. Kraft is an attorney and writer in Northern California. He can be reached at rskraft @ vfr.net.

Derek Yates

Dear Debbie,
Just to correct a few errors in your mid-east article re allies in WW II. First, just call it UK and simplifies it rather than England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Also you missed a number of other key allies such as New Zealand, China, South Africa, India, and Nepal amongst other allies. I think you will find more if you do a Google.

Debbie

Derek, thank you for your comments and suggestions. I will forward them on to Mr. Kraft.

You might want to read Part II of this article, which can be found here:

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/08/why_we_are_in_i.html

Sara W.

Tell me how this war will work. How do you point a laser-guided missile at an IDEA? How do you fight a war against people who believe it's the highest honor to die for their religion and kill non-believers while they're at it?

I don't question that there is an evil to fight, but I don't think weaponry will win the day. In fact, every newscast on Al Jazeera of USbombs falling on an Iraqi city serves as a recruitment video for once moderate but pious young Muslims to become mujahideens.

Our situation now is hardly comparable to previous wars. The Germans and Japanese didn't want to die as much as we didn't want to. Even the Kamikaze bombers were killing themselves in order to protect their family and homeland. An Islamic radical only hopes that their family is martyred in the fight. They are protecting nothing but their real homeland: their skewed idea of their religion that is above all else. And they will use their family and countrymen to do it, thinking they're doing them a holy favor.

The German and Japanese soldiers' orders came from a single government-dictated idea. The radical Islam we're fighting today is bred in the hearts of men from many countries who mix and match words from the Koran in order to justify their hatred for a Western system that they perceive as a threat to their own. It is not a centrally mandated cause, and these people do not adhere to any borders (noteven Iraq's) and do not play by any rules.

Bombing Iraq to fight terrorism is like trying to use a Phillips head on a single-slit screw. We'll just keep slipping off, never really digging into the real issue.

Our fighting cannot be from the outside in. Bullets won't do anything but grow this radical hate. Something needs to be done from the inside out.

War will not get to the core of this problem.

JOSEPH F HOWARD

DID YOE EVER HEAR OF THE GERMAN-RUSSIAN NON-AGGRESSION PACT??? SO RUSSIA SAVED US????? COULD IT BE THAT WE SAVED THEM AND CONFRONTED THEM FOR 40 YEARS.....JUST MAYBE HUH?

Bob Bailey

With the harsh comments above I would hope that those same writers would observe the current news, re-read this piece and then apologize for their ignorance. Bob Bailey, August 22, 2006

Dan

Greetings all. I found this BLOG in my search for the original posting of Mr. Kraft’s article. It has made a very interesting morning read.

I received Mr. Kraft’s article from a coworker this morning and forwarded it to the rest of our small company (about 85 people). Several of them are from the Middle East and are Muslim. Here is one response from one of the more “faithful” here:

“Please do not send me these emails filled with insults, bias and hatred.”

I will leave it to you the readers of this note and Mr. Kraft’s article to locate the “insults, bias, and hatred” in his article.

Now, while the debate in this forum has uncovered several factual errors of Mr. Kraft (24 million versus 2.4 million…might he have simply mistyped and not hit the period key?) and the installation of Hitler by a few years (could he have been talking about Hitler’s philosophical development instead of the actual Nazi party?), and certain allies in WWII and their purpose (which I think was universally to stay alive), his basic premise still is one worth rational consideration.

I have spent time in the region, and in fact made numerous friends there, but having said that, the specter of multiple theocracies based on Sharia law still looms large in that region. Someone mentioned that 20% of the population manipulates the other 80%, who by the way believe almost all the same thing as the 20%. In my experiences in the region, that is just about right. Until you have the seen the “religious police” beat women with their cans in the streets of Damon Saudi Arabia or watched the chopping off of a hand on Saudi TV for theft (I have seen both, and more!), you don’t have a real sense of the vast chasm that exists between their culture and ours. It is in fact a conflict between cultures, civilizations, and ideologies. This conflict pre-dates the Crusades and has continued with various rates of success ever since. As to inquisitionists and reformationists, I think Mr. Kraft was attempting to use those terms as metaphors for those who would follow the ways of the Wahhabi Islam versus those who would prefer to live and let live in a more modern, peaceful version of Islam (of course, as we saw in the Taliban Afghanistan if one tries to live this way, public floggings, or hanging were usually the outcome for the practitioner.). Here again I received this from one of my more intellectual colleagues this morning:

“I found this e-mail offensive, as well, especially in its inaccurate reference to the Inquisition. The way it holds up the "Reformation" as an end worth fighting for is merely Lockean political ideology speaking through an unwitting American puppet. The Reformation did not bring toleration; it brought the 60 Years War.””

Once again, as can be seen, Mr. Kraft’s comment about its not fast, easy, cheap, or clean comes to mind. In fact, I think he makes that statement about six times, but I’m not going to count. The fact that the 60 years war ensued simply makes his point!

So I would ask, that you all simply listen to what that 20% I previously referenced is saying. They are telegraphing their intent and making no bones about it. And so long as you look at this rising tide of radical Islam thru the lenses of a Judeo-Christian philosophy of life, you will be wrong in your understanding of what you are dealing with. We call them terrorists…they view themselves as soldiers of Allah…and so should we if we are going to understand how to defeat them.

As an old coach once told my, the first rule of any contest is to understand the rules. Well breaking news sports fans, this bunch has no rules. They only have goals and methods of achieving those goals…period!

Debbie

Dan, thanks for stopping by. You make some very good points. I have posted two more of Mr. Kraft's more recent articles. I think you would enjoy reading them also.

Weaponizing Civilization: The New Way of War, by Raymond Kraft

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/08/weaponizing_civ.html

Why We Are In Iraq Part II, By Raymond S. Kraft

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/08/why_we_are_in_i.html

Dan

Pardon me Debbie, but this posting to your blog just screams for a response.

Dear Joey:

1.)How can ww2 start in 1928 if hitler did not come to power till 1933, espicially since the start of ww2 was widely known with hitlers invasion of poland in 1939?At earliest the pacific was started in 1937, not 1928...

Wars don’t start with a gun shot, they start with an idea. Here is Hitler’s. He was planning to go to war in 1923. All he needed was power and he got it.

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Hitler thereupon tried to regain control of the movement by his Beer Hall Putsch of Nov. 8-9, 1923. The putsch was aimed at capturing, first, the government of Bavaria, and then the nation's, but the Bavarian authorities were able to suppress it.
The failure of the putsch destroyed the party organization, severed its army ties, and resulted in prison terms for Hitler and other leaders. Hitler used his trial to gain nationwide attention for his cause. He served nine months of his 5-year sentence in the fortress of Landsberg, where he wrote Mein Kampf in an effort to demonstrate that his leadership was based on intellectual as well as political superiority
Hitler's writing in Mein Kampf is crude and disorganized, and his ideas are not original, but the book is still an important document. The most persistent theme is social Darwinism: the struggle for life governs the relationships of both individuals and nations. He argued that the German people, supposedly racially superior, were threatened by liberalism, Marxism, humanism, and bolshevism, which were directed from behind the scenes by the Jews. Relief would come from a plebiscital dictatorship that would fight a relentless war against internal and external foes, in the process conquering Lebensraum (living space) that would make Germany militarily and economically unassailable. Hitler was much more effective when writing about the techniques of power and demagoguery. He appears in the book as a man determined, and to some degree able, to implement even the maddest schemes.
When Hitler left prison and tried to rebuild the party, he met with great difficulties. He was challenged in northern Germany by the "socialist” Nazi left leader Gregor Strasser, who aimed his appeal at the workers. To meet the challenge, Hitler wooed certain extremist military groups, the leftovers from World War I. While the workers ignored Strasser's program, the military outcasts eagerly followed Hitler. At a party conference in May 1926, Hitler outflanked Strasser and won back the dictatorial chairmanship, which he subsequently reinforced by declaring the party program unalterable, thus undercutting any attempt to revive the controversy over socialism.
Social conditions still prevented the party from growing, however. Interest in extremist solutions had waned as Germany had regained economic and political stability. In addition, Hitler was prohibited from speaking, which deprived him of his most powerful weapon. His breakthrough came in 1929, when the German Nationalist party made him politically respectable by soliciting his help in its vicious campaign against the Young Plan's arrangements for German reparations
And now the Pacific. As can plainly be seen, Japanese expansion into Asia occurred long before Pearl Harbor. In fact, Pearl Harbor was simply a continuation of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere strategy of Imperial Japan.
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During the 1930s, the military established almost complete control over the government. Many political enemies were assassinated, and communists persecuted. Indoctrination and censorship in education and media were further intensified. Navy and army officers soon occupied most of the important offices, including the one of the prime minister.
Already earlier, Japan followed the example of Western nations and forced China into unequal economical and political treaties. Furthermore, Japan's influence over Manchuria had been steadily growing since the end of the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. When the Chinese Nationalists began to seriously challenge Japan's position in Manchuria in 1931, the Kwantung Army (Japanese armed forces in Manchuria) occupied Manchuria. In the following year, "Manchukuo" was declared an independent state, controlled by the Kwantung Army through a puppet government. In the same year, the Japanese air force bombarded Shanghai in order to protect Japanese residents from anti Japanese movements.
In 1940, Japan occupied French Indochina (Vietnam) upon agreement with the French Vichy government, and joined the Axis powers Germany and Italy. These actions intensified Japan's conflict with the United States and Great Britain which reacted with an oil boycott. The resulting oil shortage and failures to solve the conflict diplomatically made Japan decide to capture the oil rich Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) and to start a war with the US and Great Britain.

2.)Vichy France was a nazi puppet government where they centralized there power in france.Leaders like frances famous charles de gaulle met with eisenhower and churchill before d-day. They were called the french resistance and did provide vital intelligence, forged papers and undercover for us agents.
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Breaking news. Vichy France was the legitimate government of France. Puppet or not! The “other” government surrendered to Hitler in the same rail car that Germany signed the Armistice in for WWI. And that government sided with the Nazis in Europe, Africa and Indonesia.

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3.)Britian, while low on cash reserves due had still a vast empire throughout Asia and Africa with much land even though parts of africa had been taken (land can equate to resources which can be sold for capital)Britian also gave us most of their carribean naval bases for exchange of essesntially the a blank check for weapons through the lend lease act.

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So lets see if I understand this, the UK could have won all by its self. And sold its overseas territories to whom? Germany? Japan? And last time I checked, my history, the UK was starving due to the U-boat blockade, then the Battle of Brittan, and let’s not forget defeats at Dunkirk, Singapore, and the near destruction of its fleet by Japanese naval air forces. The vaunted British Navy was kept tethered to the Isle in order to defend its approaches from German naval attacks…something it never did well. It was not until Lend Lease began that they actually acquired the necessary armaments and logistics to begin to rearm and prepare for the trans-channel crossing.
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4.)Roosevelt, the best president in history and the exact historical opposite to George W the jackass powered 5 years of industrial buildup . The us supplied weapons to most the allies including the russians until they got their industry moved back to the ural mountains and profited hugely off of allied loans after ww2. Industries at the time, such as airlines and the whole car industry resources such as alluminum , motors and engines were taken over by the governement (many ww2 civilian aircraft in america were made from wood due to war shortages-see twa and howard hughes old planes.) Food was also rationed and most people worked towards the war effort.Nothing is sacraficed for the iraq war.
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Now lets see, you stated that Roosevelt knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming so he sent the aircraft carriers out to sea and yet he is the best president in history? Interesting that he let 2300 people die just to get us in the war so another 400,000 could die. Oh, and the fleet was not evacuated. The three carrier battle groups were on maneuvers, planned for months, South East of the Hawaiian Islands…that’s why they were not in harbor on Dec 7. Oh, another piece of breaking news, when your country is threatened with total destruction, the niceties of life tend to be put to one side. Civilian airliners and personal automobile manufacturing was all but ZERO! It had nothing to do with shortages. It had to do with priorities. Do we make pretty cars or tanks? Airliners or fighters? Gee, tuff decision.

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5.)The perrvading view of arabs in this article is quite frankly sickening and shows the lack of depth and understanding of any conservative and how confused your right wing radio and tv has gotten you (it litterally reminds me of geobbels on radio berlin talking to his nazis, just chugged full of vitreal and lies and you mindless lemmings belive it...sad).

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Lets see, I believe there were two very distinct views of Muslims, of which Arabs where the predominate group discussed. Those who want to wipe Israeli as a country from the map, kill all the Jews, and subject all the infidels, and those who want to just get along and be left to their lives. Of the two groups, his predominate focus was on the first group. When you can listen to them on the radio, the TV, read their writings and pronouncements, whether from the religious leaders, self appointed leaders of organizations, or actual state goverments, they very clearly state those goals. That is not virtual, it’s the statement of facts.

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6.)There are very roughly 323 million people in Arab lands and according to all of you, they are all jihadis who want weapons of mass desctruction and chemical and nuclear death. Places such as egypt, the uae etcetera are good friends of ours want a civilized western life and hate terror.They have been lving peacefully for the last 40 years. Not every arab is a terrorist and to suggest so is ignorant and insulting to the millions of good arabs that live amongst us in america today .
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See my previous comment. It would appear you have great difficulty reading and comprehending the English language in written from. So go very, very slow this time.

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7.)Saddam Hussein is a horrible guy, there is not a person on earth who does not beleive that the world is better without him in power. However, the evidence has shown that the only terror saddamn used was that against the iraquis.Saddamn hussein was not responsible for 9-11 and there has been no known linkages shown between the two. To suggest saddamn is a terrorist neglects the basic ideologicl tennants that the batth party which idea was a secular arab state that would unite all peoples and become strong under a strong leader. Not to become an islamic dictatorship under sharia law like Al Quada.??
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To quote an old Arab axiom, “The enemy of my enemies is my friend”.

The point is not “did he have connections to 911?”. The point is, can we continue to let him press forward supporting terrorist organizations, providing safe haven, and financing them? We are rapidly approaching that question with Iran right now.

Oh, and there are lots of people who love Saddam. They are called Batthists, and they are still fighting to this day. They even had a parade in his home town on his birthday after he fell.
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7.)Japanesse Nazism??????Hilarious and again, shows how stupid mr kraft is. While the governments did have high level connections and envoys between each other the japanesse did not care about nazis or their racial theory. The japanesse cared about their emporer and their empire which at that time stretched throughout asia and he wanted expanded for power and resources. There is no evidence of japan enacting racial theory, running concentration camps (bad pow camps yes, concentration camps no). To say so is an outright lie.
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Now lets see, the Japanese didn’t not adopt the Nazi Party. That’s true. Other than that nothing you stated is correct. The Japanese believed in their own racial superiority, they taught it in schools, and considered all other races inferior. Americans were referred to mongrels. Concentration camps? Didn’t have them? You need to go talk the Chinese, and the Koreans, and the Malaysians, and the Filipinos. Forced labor camps were a norm throughout all of Japanese occupied Asia.

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8.)Mainly and what you concervative asses cant grip is the fact that we are not fighting terrorists in iraq. We are in the middle of a sunni/shia civil war power struggle which 100 people a week on average die and have given iran and hezbollah a base of governemnt right next door to iran.They also hate us since we waged an agressive war in a part of the world where white colonialists have waged war since the 1900's (post wwi formation of iraq).We have in essence created the opposite of the point of invading iraq, we have created a base for terrorism to thrive there and ohh it right next door to an enemy who hates us historically iran.
You people are really spun and spun hard, turn off rush and billo and open your eyes to the real world and raeal news .Mr. Craft, the assenine writer, you are insulting to those who have passed basic high school history and know history for what it is.Not your disgusting right wing lawyered spin on it.

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The only “civil war” that I am aware of, is occurring between Sunni and Shia Islamic Mullahs who are power hungry. Religion is the cover story for them. They are thugs and their like have always shrouded themselves in the cloak of the piety as thousands died to satisfy their own personal lust for power. As to “white colonists” waging war against them, my readings have shown me that they have been waging war amongst them selves since recorded time. They certainly don’t need “white colonists” as an excuse to go and slaughter themselves. In fact, the only time there was even a modicum of quiet over there was when the British Army occupied it. As soon as they left, all hell broke out again.

OK, Debbie, I’m done. I would have made it shorter, but I didn’t have the time.

beer

Let's hope Ray Kraft and other neoconservatives rediscover conservatism soon and stop killing America with their high spending, big government, scion of 70s liberalism. Bush has ceased to be a voice of reason and his onservative audience is now just as miffed by his "stay the course" mantra. Comparing a bunch of old Iraqi accountants training with broomsticks to take on the best military in the world, to a highly militarized technically advanced and already mobilized Nazi Germany is disingenuous. Ray, you're simply wrong.

Bill Watkins

I'm not a historian, but when I sent this letter on a Historical review of the Iraq situation to a good female friend of mine, she came back and indicated that it is a WELL KNOWN fact that Germany over-ran Belgium in one day, and that France was NOT on the side of Germany. She said that this letter was rather frightening to read because of the mistakes? What is the truth? How do I respond?

Debbie

Bill, you can reach Mr. Kraft via email at

rskraft@vfr.net

I don't feel competent to argue the facts for Mr. Kraft. This article has been very controversial. Either people love it or hate it. You seem to be the first who hasn't decided yet.

Thanks for visiting, and feel free to go to the main page or read some of the more recent articles listed on the right sidebar.

Mike Holler

Mr. Kraft, I enjoyed your article and your web site. Two suggestions: one is two drop the white on black style. It is very hard on the eyes. The second is to show readers comments in one type face, and your response (or the response of others) in another type face so that we can readily follow the arguments. Thanks for your analysis. I have sent it to many friends and relatives. Mike

Sharleen Wilkens

I think your article was very good, it's to bad that we have 2 parties that are playing on both sides of these facts and issues, we are a spoiled nation and we sometimes think we are so different and nobody anywhere can touch us, well if we hide ourselves in the sand, they will seek, for how can we see if our heads are in the sand. My father was in war the 2nd war, he was on the Philippine Islands, he never talked to much about the war when I was a child or in my grown up years, only did I hear him one time say something. It was after a neighbor friend blew his head off with a shot gun. We were close to these neighbors and it was a shock to us, my father got up and went to there house with towells mops rags and other cleaners and proceeded to clean up the blood and fleshly pieces. When he came home as he was sitting in his chair I could see that he had cried a lot, his face was flush and eyes red and swollen and when I asked him why did you go and do that. His reply was, Sharleen, when I was in the service there were many men who had there heads blown apart and I had to see it and clean up messes just like this one. As in the war we were trying our best to keep out a invader and for the most part we succeeded, but here at home in our own nation, we have a invader and he is stealing our minds away, his name is Satan, and if we let him he will steal our rights and freedoms from us, he did from my friend. That's all he said. These people who are against us are not for us and they want to distroy us, so if the so called right people want to come into agreement with these people, why don't you just move over there, let's see how far your freedoms you're used to will go. This is a International war, not just one nation, but many, and we are all in it. Let's get our head out of the sand, and not be a buttass target.

Debbie

Mike and Sharlene, thank you for your comments on Mr. Kraft's article. Thank you also, Mike, for the suggestions on the website. I could change the template, but I hate change. ha I have gotten used to this one. I hate the technical side of blogging. I might get brave and try something new.

I hope the template will not keep folks away.

ann t

I have read this article with great interest. I am British and can categorially state that this is such utter nonesense. First of all the amount of historical inaccuracies are breathtaking as has been pointed out. However, I want to focus on this so called war on terror. I have great sympathy with the American people after 9/11 but instead of having a measured approach to this situation you went to war with all guns blazing as if Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld where sheriffs in a cowboy movie. They attacked Afghanistan without a thought for the civilian population - you have to ask why it is so vital to get rid of the Taleban now instead of when they were killing their own people for the last twenty years. We were then fed a lie about Iraq and Saddam. They didn't have any WMD. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 nor has he anything to do with Al Queda in fact they are sworn enemies. Again you have to ask why didn't we attack Iraq when Saddam was killing the Kurds and again his own peopl? I may have the answer could it be that oil has something to do with this. I would have more respect if they told the truth instead of lying.
One last point Mr Kraft if Wahhabi is such a bad section of Islam why aren't we attacking Saudi Arabia this is the type of Islam they practice also, most of the terrorists on those planes on 9/11 (14 I think) where from Saudi Arabia. Again I ask why not attack Saudi Arabia? Could it be that the Bush family have to much to lose if they attacked them.
In case you think that I am some kind of mad left wing liberal I would like to point out that I am a committed Christian and would like nothing more than the whole world to have freedom and democracy howevere America will always be seen as the enemy if they only take issues with dictators who they think they can get something from. If we really want to rid the world of terrorism we should have equal foreign policies in all countries instead of picking and choosing who we support. By the way I don't have much time for Tony Blair and our governement either - they lied too.

mahadave

Yes, it's pretty sad when smart people can't believe their own eyes or the laws of physics regarding the real "rabbit out of the hat" on 9/11, or understand the history of the CIA and its creation of Islamist extremism in the mujahedeen in Afghanistan or the role of the CIA and it's massive drug running in the 80s and 90s. The War on Terror is a creation of the military industrial complex and anyone with an open mind and who is willing to read something outside their own media formed and simplistic world view can begin to see the truth. It fits much better in the current events than what I used to believe (like you). Bush is not incompetent or an idiot, he is doing exactly as he is told..and the USA has already been sold out. Look up the North American Union and Nafta superhighway for starters, and then maybe you will see why Bush will never close the borders...at least not until Americans want to leave, then they will close down in a hurry.

zubair

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zubair

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from_the_old_right

A few observations...

Attacking "isolationism" is akin to calling George Washington an idiot. Hitler was the product of U.S. intervention in the First World War leading to a humiliating and unjust peace which inflamed the German people and built the fires of fanatism and a war of revenge.

President Wilson pulled the U.S. into the "Great War" with lies and gross misrepresentations. Following on his footsteps, FDR betrayed the alleged cause of freedom for which thousands of Americans perished with his sell-outs to Joseph Stalin, a man morally indistinguishable from Adolf Hitler.

As for the war with Islam, Iraq is a side-show. We are busy losing the war with Islam every day with the massive influx of muslim immigration to the U.S. and Europe. Islam cannot coexist with either Christians, Jews or secularism in western democracy. Islam, not some made up group of "jihadists" is at war with western-style democracy.

Yet, George Bush and his allies, like the liberal Democrats and the emasculated secular socialists of Europe, seeks to conceal or ignore this fact. Islam is incompatible with the West. Like Europe, we harbor a nest of vipers with the growth of muslim communities in the U.S. Anyone professing to be a Christian and accepting the lordship of Christ cannot tolerate the claims of Islam. Anyone who understands the history of the West cannot help but recoil from the surrender of both Christendom and western democracy to hordes of alien invaders.

Keep It Real

If Ray Kraft(and the like)and all of you bloggers spent all of your energy focused on one common solution(or action although it might not be perfect-nothing in this world is perfect)instead of your own WAR Of Words and directed that energy (goal)on influencing our congress,something positive might happen for future generations of US citizens.

Kyle Wilson

FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS EQUIVALENT TO FUCKING AKA HAVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE FOR VIRGINITY. What do you think? if they bomb us with what will eventually be nuclear arms powerfull enough to blow up the entire world than what will we just move to Mars??? Yes it is possible but we probably will be far from having the technology to live on another planet for a longggg time. I've tried to see through your perspective. It's just evil and the devil's working. War belongs in hell not on earth.

Sean

Totally agree with Raymond ...what people today do not realize is that the freedom we love in America was earned at the cost of millions of dollars and many many many lives both innocent and not. This is the only country in the world where we can live a life of true freedom. The recent generations do not have the knowledge of what America went through to win the freedom and protect the freedom we have today. Innocent people will die.. And there is NO WAY around it. This is not a chest game or a game of monopoly. It is reality and war. That is what it takes to protect what is so dear to us. I wonder how many protestors of war and of us being in the Middle East would feel about leaving America to go live in Japan, North Korea, Russia, Iraq, or any where else. No one wants there family to die at war… but it happens. And I thank every single one of the soldiers who fought and who died for our freedom and will never ever forget them.

Gary DeVaney

Gary DeVaney: This “saber-rattling” war-game by a Mr. Raymond S. Kraft made me so critical of his perspectives that I spent a couple of hours breaking down his points.

What is Past is Prologue This is history that has been left out of our textbooks.

Gary: This propaganda piece amounts to another pentagon-type war-game scenario. There are thousands of them. The “007” films and “24” TV programs are similar projects. This scenario is no more feasible than they are.

Most of you are not old enough to remember that nearly every family in America was grossly Affected by WWII. Most of you don't remember the rationing of meat, shoes, gasoline, and sugar.

Gary: Well, Mr. Raymond S. Kraft, that statement certainly should subordinate any immature, amateur and ignorant input on our part. It appears we should just shut our mouths, read and fearfully believe this saber-rattling scenario.

No tires for our automobiles, and a speed limit of 35 miles an hour on the road. Not to mention, no new automobiles.

Read this and think about how we would react to being taken this is an EXCELLENT essay. Well thought out and presented.

Gary: That's a matter of opinion. President George W. Bush certainly has some of us programmed by his lies. Some are afraid of what he might do next to further ruin The United States of America.

Historical Significance Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.

At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.

Gary: Na. Churchill and Roosevelt were figuring ways to get the US involved. They knew about and somewhat orchestrated Pearl Harbor. Ignorant denial is automatic.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

Gary: All according to plan. Germany, about the size of Texas, and Japan, about the size of California, were the enemy. The International-Bankers were preparing for themselves a financial banquet.

France was not an ally, as the Vichy Government of France quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia. Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico,

Gary: Whoa! Outside of fictional books, by what official paper-trail evidence did Japan and Germany have long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico? Another, of many, fictitious war-Games sold as fact.

As launching pads to get into the United States over our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of Asia and Europe. America's only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia. That was about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the East, was already under the Nazi heel.

America was certainly not prepared for war.

Gary: To live in fear is the Bush-Gang's never-ending order of the day. You can’t have war without it.

America had drastically downgraded most of its military forces after W.W.I and throughout the depression, so that at the outbreak of WWII, army units were training with broomsticks because they didn't have Guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks.

Gary: We all played army and did that as kids. I personally killed a billion trees that were "bad and evil" enemy soldiers.

And a huge chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Gary: Let's se now - on Sunday December 7th all the aircraft carriers were out at sea from Pearl Harbor for the first time. Why so on that date? Roosevelt couldn't sacrifice his carriers? Were the rest left in port to be the sacrificial lambs so to get every American redneck to feel and shout: "Let's git some" - "Let's kick-butt" - "Let's kill and die for honor" - "Wanted dead or alive" - "Bring it on"? Bush's cheerleading 91 IQ luvs that stuff!

Britain had already gone bankrupt,

Gary: Sure. England had over-extended itself by imperialzing many less powerful countries by occupying and exploiting their resources. We, the USA, had to learn to do it from someone.

Saved only by the donation of $600 million in Gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually the property of Belgium, given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact).

Gary: So you say.

Actually, Belgium surrendered in one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day just to prove they could. Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later, and first turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse, in the late summer of 1940.

Gary: What? LOL. Had OCEAN WATER not separated England from Europe, England would have fallen to Germany right after Belgium.

Ironically, Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Gary: Yes. Russia, not the US and England, mostly beat Germany. The US sacrificed 406,000 troops and created the US empire with our best “sacrificial lambs”. Russia was too weak to stop the US from spreading our empire. Eventually, our CIA created wars bankrupted Russia and it collapsed.

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalin Grad and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.

Gary: Russia’s loses were horrendous as compared to the US costs and causalities – weren’t they?

Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America. And the Nazis could possibly have won the war.

Gary: A country roughly the size of Texas with technology only about 20% better than other affluent nations could win a World War? What are you smoking? By the end of this piece, you are going to pick an enemy for us to want to go kill – aren’t you Mr. Raymond S. Kraft ?

All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history.

Gary: Yes. President George W. Bush is our Adolph Hitler with 10 times more country than Germany and 1000 times more weaponry then the rest of the World combined and he is inventing scenarios to excuse himself and his handlers from imposing US World domination through financial, democratic, media, religious and military means. There – the mask is off.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.

Gary: OOOOH! Here comes the fear imposition. Let’s all get ready to kick butt! Pick my enemy and "let me at em". "Bring em on!" In reality "There is a very dangerous minority" and it is the Bush-Gang. You want to validate his errors at all costs - don't you Mr. Raymond S. Kraft

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs -- they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.

Gary: Come on! You could sell a much better war-game by using the Chinese as the big evil Satan. With over 4 times our US population - with nuclear weapons and all that land-mass, a real thinker could have picked a better potential enemy than the Islamic people - who are decades behind in weaponary.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win - the Inquisitors, or the Reformations.

Gary: The US handlers luv a civil-war raging in the Middle East for it weakens the enemy AND it allows us to step in whenever we choose to – because we have annointed ourselves to be the World’s righteous cops. We will continue to sacrifice our best people and US family money to prove our cause. We are on a mission from God - according to our leader. "If you are not with us - you’re a-gin us." Statistically, the enemy is more expendable than our people - but be assured, our President is willing to expend all he can use for his war and his handler's cause.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC -- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want Gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

Gary: The dollar? Bush has raised the US national debt more than all the other US Presidents combined. Do you care? The Inquisition! Great choice of trigger words - as it reminds us that it is righteous for the torture and legal for the slaughter of the enemies of religion. Let me git saved, baptized again, sign up and kill all those low-life, Allah-loving Inquisitors and support those good Allah-type Reformists. After a billion more troops and civilians die on all sides, the US handlers can occupy more countries, secure more resources like oil and take over the World - fulfilling the One World Government agenda. Praise God / Allah as they are both the warlike God of Abraham. Doesn’t a Christian - Islamic war sound feasible? Promote enough fear to dupe the US sheeple because God told you to and it will happen again and again.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions,

Gary: You’re smoking that funny stuff, right? Don’t you really view that: “If they ain’t Christian – they ain’t nothin’.” When it comes to religion, Christianity is as dumb as Islam. They will both fight to the death for a ideology that some imperialistic, authoritative, power-crazy group programmed into their head.

And live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.

Gary: Right! Under the US imposed democratic World Bank control. Who do you think you are fooling? We’ll control the money and resources, buy our politicians and put them in place. The World is ours!!! Praise God!

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Quad and the Islamic terrorist movements.

Gary: Let me write my will and sign up for this noble cause. This is the most motivating cause I’ve got to go die for since lunchtime.

We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing........in Iraq.

Gary: Just train me how to press those nuclear buttons. I’ll sacrifice my going to Hell and “nuke em all” or at least the billions necessary to accomplish the US mission of World domination. Let me at em!!!

Not in New York, not in London, or Paris or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things.


(1 We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.

Gary: Beautiful! What a perfect validation for what our King George II has done. If you want another possible war-game, Bush is not beyond nuking a US city so to become the US Emperor for life. The believing US sheeple have proven to be ready to support that. Sure. The US took out Saddam Hussein, the only one man who proved he could control the Iraqi people. The whole US Government has proven that they cannot do what that one man did. We supported Saddam's war with Iran. We supplied Saddam with the gas that he killed the Kurds and Iranians with. We initially okayed Saddam’s going into Kuwait to reclaim land imperialists and taken from Iraq - and then the US opportunistically turned on him. The US pre-empted a first strike attack on a country that COULD NOT harm us. Spin all the war-games you want. That’s a fact. The USA feels abused and violated when it is not OBEYED. Hello! Those independent nations don't need to obey us or conform to our interests.

Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

Gary: The US condoned it and provided weapons for Saddam to accomplish those deaths. We, the US, never complained until Saddam didn't conform to our corporate, financial and political interests.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq.

Gary: What? There was no terrorism that Saddam didn't handle. You’re nutz. We, the US, created terrorism in Iraq. We are the terrorists who occupy Iraq - a land that is NOT ours.

We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people,

Gary: Our King George II lied, then attacked Iraq and then he used the international corporate-owned media to call them, the victims, bad. We, the US, were the “might-makes-right” BAD Guys. If you don’t understand that, you will keep the Bush Gang in power and it will get much worse for your kids and their free World. The superior money from the International Corporations just might keep the Bush-Gang members in power.

And the ones we get there we won't have to get here.

Gary: Couldn’t you state that about any enemy? If so, EVERY country would fall to us eventually. Who is going to stop us? China maybe - some day. We’ll deserve it because of what we are currently doing. Deep down, do we support World domination? If so, we too deserve the fate of Hitler's Germany, Napoleon and the fate of Rome.

We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

Gary: Why didn’t you complete your sentence? “We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Christian Iraq . . .” You obviously feel that the US should interfere with the politics of other nations - don’t you? Does Saudi Arabia know that the US is going to insist its King give his country up to American orchestrated politics? If not - what ideological hypocrisy! We want our political clones controlling every land on Earth.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war -- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to Get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again .. a 27 year war.

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. W.W.II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 2,200 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning W.W.II would have been unimaginably Greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

Gary: The Iraqis and Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11 but you will kill Iraqis to satisfy US revenge? Are you insane? You must be a true Christian. The Biblical God didn't care about civilian casualties either.

This is not 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay.

G: It appears that if it were up to you, Sir Raymond, dumb decisions would continue to be made and things would get worse for the World. Let’s you and I debate your statements in a public forum. You decisions are as bad as your insane leader, George W's. You are welcome to have King George join your side of the debate.

The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.

Gary: Especially when your country’s leader lies or makes horrendous mistakes and preempts a war on a country that cannot defend itself and who is responsible for a few hundred thousand deaths and injuries. If you support that - you are an accomplice and you should share your leader’s trial - and his cell?

The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it.

Gary: And then we fight Chinese terrorism, right? Who after them? Fighting the Islamic people is by comparison like the US military today fighting an army with civil war weapons. You obviously support and condone mass slaughter as you are simply reading from the Bush-Gang's dogmatic script.

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an "England" in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East.

Gary: Close but no. We will have another puppet US state in the Middle East. Whose region are we spreading occupation and imperialism over? Once we are in absolute control we would flush England out with the rest of the “they are not us” bath water.

The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the Gates.

Gary: Concerning Iraq, we, the United States, prove to be the barbarians, the terrorists, the murderers.

The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless somebody prevents them.

G: Well if they weren’t - they certainly are motivated now to modernize for the defense of their country. Their country is the country we attacked and that we want to take over. We want to impose our control and will over them to fulfill our ideological, political, financial and corporate interests. Some nutcases would probably insist that we impose our imperialistic Christian religion on Islam too - or kill them for not conforming. Both sides see the other as the infidel. We are as bad as they are. I’m Glad I’m an Atheist - free of either religious mind-set.

We have four options:

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

Gary: Then let’s defeat Finland and Greenland before they get nuclear weapons. Let's continue to build up our nuclear arsenal while denying theirs so we can take all of "them thar" countries over. Then, we can tell them how to live, make our laws for them to obey and burn the infidels and the witches who disobey. Great plan! Might DOES make right!

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is)

Gary: Boy! You’re scaring me and I’m ready to kill and die again! Where do I sign up!

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

Gary: Let’s go dominate the Middle-East while we think we can - right? I think we are learning that we already can’t dominate it. But, we can all die trying. Gotta die sometime - right? It might as well be in a “to the death” crusade to imperialize the World. And, besides, it’s God’s will - right?

4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.

Gary: Yes. Brilliant! Let’s sacrifice our young men and women and bankrupt our country now so another REAL World power like China can take us over later. You see, I can play fearful, fantasy war-games too. As a retired Army officer, I’ve been trained.

If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or Grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

Gary: Ooooh! I can really visualize that? After the Mexicans take us over first - then the Canadians and oops, the Cubans of course. The Mullahs and the Sharia will just have to take a ticket and wait. What concerns me is some timid Americans may believe you and your President’s nonsense and some more testosterone-driven athletes may want to go “GIT SUM” due to your continued reckless propaganda.

The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

Gary: War is: If you don’t yield, serve and obey me - I will kill you. That’s what’s Going on and this war is no different. God started it with all the wars He wades in the Bible to steal people’s lands to give to His “chosen”. He ordered them to kill the occupants of their land so to steal it for themselves. Christians like George W. Bush talks to God and God tells him to attack “those” people. George W. Bush said so, himself. Christians have faith and believe so they follow and obey God through George W. Bush. The world has proven to be in deep trouble with this President in power.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

Gary: So far, we have been the most ruthless against a passive people who did not deserve our mistaken and lie induced war. To stubbornly argue the virtues of this war proves that mind-set believers just can NOT be wrong. Those kinds of mistakes - everybody pays for.

Remember, perspective is every thing, and America's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.

Gary: Sir Raymond, the perspective that our President lied to wage an unjust war on the innocent citizens of Iraq is a perspective that could slap your face for a month and you still wouldn’t see it. That’s sad - but it’s truly the state of things. One day, sir, one of us is going to be embarrassed for our views in 2006.

The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.

Gary: Each case showed that the imperialistic war-wagers lost. Now we, the USA, are wrong for what we have done and like Viet-Nam, we will lose this war too.

The US has taken more than 2,000 killed in action in Iraq. The US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In W.W.II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of the individual battles of W.W.II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

Gary: Raymond, you obviously share Bush's insanity: We have about 3.000 troops who were killed in Iraq and so that they did not die in vain, we are going to send a few million more to die, if necessary. Bush wants political, financial, religious and corporate control of the Middle East. He doesn’t want the people who live there to be in control of their countries or their lives. They are to buy into the lives the US designs for them. They are to live their lives on US terms - or we really don’t have any use for them. They must conform or they must die. That’s pretty much a broad perspective of what’s going on with the George W. Bush Gang.

But the stakes are at least as high ... A world dominated by representative Governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms .. or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).

Gary: That’s their World, Sir Raymond - not ours. If a nation like China, for example, attacked the US and took us over and then insisted that we become like them - chances are, we wouldn’t like it either. Those nations who would occupy the USA would consider me to be a top terrorist - the killing machine I was trained to be.

It's difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.

Gary: Can you perceive allowing the Iraqis to live their lives the way they choose? If you came to my door and demanded I change my life to serve you on your terms, you would receive knuckle sandwiches until you quit demanding of me. That’s fighting for freedom - if you didn't perceive it.

"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America, where it's safe.

Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places that really need peace activism the most?

Gary: LOL! Where have you been? Free-speech and Link TV show protests all over the World against the war that the US has deceptively waged in Iraq. Corporate-owned US media do not show the Peace Activist demonstrating because those corporations want the resources and markets in those semi-virgin markets. You need Dish or Direct TV satellite systems to get those World-Wide news programs instead of what the filtered US systems put out. The corporate owned US media keeps Americans in the dark on World opinion. We make the rules - so, we don’t have to listen to what they think of us - right?

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.

Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

Thank you, Raymond S. Kraft, for exposing your imperialistic war-promoting perspectives for they clearly outline your dogmatic mind-set. You indeed are a true follower of the insane Bush-Gang. George W. Bush is an insane, mind-set socio-path who does not know right from wrong. It appears to be contageous as his power-crazy, obedient, cheer-leading believers are deeply infected by his "assumed authority". He sees America's enemy when he looks in the mirror.

Regards,

Gary DeVaney

garydevaney@earthlink.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California. Please consider passing along copies of this article to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful today -- history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.

PS: Misinformation campaign! Special interest agenda driven! LOL! I need an Excedrin. GWD

Stewart  R. Gable

Ray;
I have the same vision as you and know how Billy Mitchell must have felt.
I am Stewart R. Gable, Colonel USAF [Ret'd]
BA Industrial Psychology & Marketing Distribution
MA MIS Management
SOS in Residence
Air Command & Staff College, in Residence
Naval War College, in Residence [Stan Turner]
Vietnam 1968; Pilot 107 Missions over the North
10,000 Pilot hours in the USAF
While assigned to the FAA in DC, I started the Acts of Violence & Hi-Jacking Task Force Against U S Air Carriers, 1970-71.
While at the NWC in 1971 predicted the USSR would implode from the inside
and the money saved should go to the CIA for tracking all CBR weapons in
the future.
Obviously, no one listened to me.
The following web site is my latest contribution, but few listen.

WWW.USAWakeUp.Org

Stewart R. Gable
520-299-1234

Hal

It is unbelievable how many ignorant, left wing, wildeyed liberals there are in this world. I just hope that all you're doing is posting your vitrolic hate for George Bush on blogs and aren't out voting.

Raymond Kraft is right on.

Hal

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