Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and torture

It didn't take long for the 'America tortures prisoners' comments to start. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confessions should be good news, but some can't be happy with that. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself said he was not under duress when he confessed. Torture like many other things, is in the eye of the beholder.

Today we learn that he did in fact behead Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

The Webloggin Editor in Taking Bets - Will Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's 9/11 Confession Become A Story of CIA Torture?, has a good roundup of the 'slant' put on Mohammed's confessions by the MSM., you can go read it yourself. I concur with the final paragraph of the report:

It’s sad when the mainstream media can’t seem to get past their activist ways and simply report the news. It’s even worse that we have come to expect it.

Flopping Aces reminds us that evidence tells us that Abdul Basit Mahmud Abdul Karim, aka Ramzi Yousef, was the mastermind of the planes as missiles operation.

First conceived by Ramzi in the fall of 1994 but pitched to Bin Laden by KSM after Ramzi had been arrested for the 93 WTC bombing.

KSM was closely tied to the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 90's and had the connections to get things done while Ramzi went from designing huge explosive payloads which were designed to be moved to their targets to little "bomb triggers" which were to be planted aboard airliners, effectively turning them into flying bombs.

Both of these two deserve a special place in hell.

Also Flopping Aces has a few comments from 'HuffPo react with typical idiocy: (via The Daily Gut)'. You can go read them if you want.

Chad at In The Bullpen has a list of the '29 attacks that never actually happened' that Mohammed was involved in, go read it. Chad also reports:

The Pentagon has created a page to track the tribunals complete with transcripts.

See my original post on Mohammed's confessions here. Hat tip to Ernesto for the image.

Comments

[Bref]

I think all you guys are on the right track. if Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay and rendition didnt exist, Bush would have to set them up all over again. Better a hundred innocent muslims get tortured than one terrorist goes free!

[TACK]

SW, somebody may see being kept in isolation as torture, you may have to explain why this was done. Torture can be defiend in a multitude of ways. My wife "tortures" me all the time..ha.

[StormWarning]

Hey there TACK. I like your answer. The notion of anonymity brings people to believe that others will actually go beyond their inherent desire to "share." Even as a "civilian" the level of need to know info. is critical.

As I mentioned on an earlier thread, things are redacted for a reason. I also wrote that terrorists have no rights under MY Constitution. In fact, the only reason to keep a known terrorist alive is to extract information. That's why I favor the redition process.

Information is kept secret for a reason. KSM was kept in isolation for a reason. There is reason behind what the public sees, but often doesn't understand.

Reasonably. LOL

[TACK]

Martha, if that comment was directed to me do you really think I would tell you yes or no on a non-secure system such as this. And even if this was JWICS or a SIPRNET system do you think I would still tell you without knowing you or ever of working with you? I don't think that it should be common practice for trained or self proclaimed "skilled conversationalists." When the issue of "time sensitivity" comes into play then possibility of "torture" needs to go thru a vetting and approval process. Let me pose this, what if we had a individual in our custody that had intel on the 911 attacks and since we didn't "torture" them we didn't learn about these attcks before hand. What would you think and feel then? Again, I don't want to attack anyone's ideas or view points, I just enjoy the sharing of intelligent ideas and view points.

[Debbie]

Martha Schwope , yes torture is in the eye of the beholder. We have some in the US and other countries who consider leaving the lights on 24 hours torture, who consider putting a pair of panties on a man's head torture, who consider not serving halal meat to a Muslim torture.

I don't consider any of those things torture. If you are talking about things like waterboarding, I don't consider that going too far either. Our soldiers go through that as a normal part of their training.

When there is actionable intelligence that can save American lives to be had from a captured terrorist, I say get that information.

As any interrogator will tell you, getting answers doesn't require things like yanking out fingernails or the things that Saddam did on a routine basis. There are much more subtle ways to get information.

[Martha Schwope]

"Torture is in the eye of the beholder."

Have you ever watched it?

Are you one of the people like Lynne Cheney who LIKES to watch it???

[TACK]

J Hanson...I can't tell which camp you are in but I pose to you this...if we did (torture) him, why is that a bad thing? If I contributed to an effort that killed thousands of people and seriously hurt thousands of others I'd hope that my captures would torture me to find out more about who, what, why, where, and when. Let's narrow the scope, if you wife, husband, children, sister, or brother was being held captive somewhere, waiting to be killed and you happend to have one of the abductors tied up in your living room what would you do? I know what I would do. We should be thankfull that there are those that have the stomach to do the things that must be done.For those in oppisition to what may or may not have happend, do you think this Ron Jeremy look alike would have walked up to the nearest Police station and said, "hey guys it was me and here are all my buddies that helped me?" Freedom isn't Free.

[TACK]

Bref, are you being serious? "If he'd confessed to the UK and Spanish bombings as well, we could have called a halt to the war on terror right here and now!" If you really do think that, I am curious as to why? I am not here to bash thoughts and opinions I purely want to understand the trains of thought I see represented on here.

[Bref]

Mate, it's a pity they didn't keep him in that Egyptian jail a bit longer. If he'd confessed to the UK and Spanish bombings as well, we could have called a halt to the war on terror right here and now!

[J Hanson]

Slant or not, KSM was tortured. This is well documented.

[OSONS FOR LIBERTY]

AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, THAT FAT SORRY SLOB ROSIE O, DONELL SAID TODAY ON THE VIEW , THATS IT,S OBVIOUS FROM HIS PHOTO THAT HE WAS TORTURED!!!!!! THE FRIGGIN PICTURE WAS TAKEN AT THE TIME OF HIS CAPTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE IS A MORON. CERTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Butch]

Slant all they want. He's still gonna rot in hell.

[Faultline USA]

Debbie:
Sickening - I knew as soon as I saw the headlines today what the MSM reaction would be to this story. More MSM pandering to their leftist friends. Thanks for posting all the links to the reactions to Mohammed’s confessions.