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Stormwarning

Thanks Debbie.

One of things that I found facinating was that the American Medical community in 1915 accepted such mutilation as a "behavioral modification."

Also, while I have no proof of this, I do seriously doubt if the Falasha (the "Lost Tribe") would still practice such butchery in Israel.

However, I am glad that you brought it out that its not a Muslim specific issue. It is also a "common" practice among the Massai tribe in Africa.

One of the other things, slightly off topic, is the still continuing problem of China's practice of female "baby sacrifice."

http://www.issafrica.org/static/templates/tmpl_html.php?node_id=2188&link_id=5

Debbie

Popovich, I wondered if anyone would pick up on that. Those guys are NUTS. Thanks so much.

Popovich

hold on a second.. the Raelian Movement?!

Do you guys know who they are?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism

From Wikipedia:

[quote]
Raëlism is a naturalist[1] UFO religion promoted by the Raëlian Movement, which was founded by former auto racing journalist Claude Vorhilon. Followers, the Raëlians, believe in the rights of individualism, sexual self-determination, distributive economy, and accountability, claiming that this will be fostered by greater intelligences and will bring a new age of wealth and peace, as predicted by the main religions.[2]

In December 26, 2002, Brigitte Boisselier, a Raëlian Bishop and CEO of a biotechnology company called Clonaid, announced the birth of baby Eve, a human clone, which at that point ignited much media attention, ethical debate, doubt, critics, and claims of a hoax. Spokespeople for the movement, such as Claude Vorhilon, have suggested that this is only first step in achieving a more important agenda, saying that that accelerated growth process and mind transfer, in combination with cloning are mechanisms by which eternal life may be achieved. Raëlians believe that cloning will serve as the basis for a resurrection of the dead from previous human generations into an intelligently governed paradise which they believe will be created on Earth after the technological singularity[3][4] and the coming of Elohim as well as the prophets of the main religions.
[..]

According to the History of Raëlism, an explanation of humanity's origins and future was transmitted to Raël by a 25,000-year-old extraterrestrial named Yahweh Elohim, who came in a classic UFO-type space vessel and landed in a volcano in Auvergne, France called Puy de Lassolas. These messages were later published by Raël in the book The Message Given to me by Extra-terrestrials (now republished as Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers 2006 ISBN 2940252203).

Raëlians believe that the name Elohim, as said by primitive people of the past, refers to "those who came from the sky", or more accurately, humanoid extraterrestrials. Raëlism espouses belief that through mastery of solar astronomy, terraformation, nanotechnology, and genetic engineering, the Elohim were able to synthesize a novel ecological system with organisms adapted to the chemical and thermal make up of the Earth.
The message dictated to Raël during his encounter with the Elohim states that the Elohim contacted about forty people to act as their prophets on Earth, including Moses, Elijah, Ezekiel, Mahavira, Buddha, John the Baptist, Jesus, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and Bahá'u'lláh.[5] Raëlians believe that the following religions are Elohimic in orgin: Hinduism - Judaism - Jainism - Buddhism - Taoism - Christianity - Islam - Mormonism - Bahá'í Faith.[5]
Artist's rendering of the Embassy for Extraterrestrials or "Third Temple" which Raëlians believe will support an official contact with Extraterrestrial Elohim and their messengers of the main religions at the "New Jerusalem"
Artist's rendering of the Embassy for Extraterrestrials or "Third Temple"[6][7][8] which Raëlians believe will support an official contact with Extraterrestrial Elohim and their messengers of the main religions at the "New Jerusalem"[9][6]

The Raëlians believe, furthermore, that the Elohim will visit the earth officially when enough of its population is peaceful and come to know about them. They believe this is foretold in all religious texts - the predicted Age of Apocalypse or Revelation (unveiling of the truth). They say these humans from another world will appear to drop down from the sky and meet in the embassy they have asked Raël to build for them and share their advanced scientific knowledge with us, their creation. Thus, one of their stated main goals is to inform as many people as possible about this extraterrestrial race.
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If I were female I wouldn't let these guys anywhere near my clitoris!

Debbie

Stormwarning, those are some excellent links, especially the first one. thanks for sharing

Stormwarning

Female Genital Mutilation isn't just for Muslims (even though it is prevalent in Muslim countries)...it never was...but it is an abomination nonetheless.

Check out this paper written in 1915 in the American Journal of Clinical Medicine, vol. 22, no. 6, p. 520-523 http://www.noharmm.org/CircintheFemale.htm

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGACT770061997
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/311/7012/1088
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/
http://www.cirp.org/pages/female/

Debbie

Rastaman, I knew what you meant.

Thanks for the comments Angel, Layla and everyone. I just happened to run across this and thought it was amazing news.

This butchering is actually done by the older women, so we can't just blame the men.

And yes it is mostly African tribal rituals, but not limited to that by any means.

Rastaman

Oh, and no, Debbie, I wasn't accusing you of sexist rants, that was inspired by the previous comment that "all the men are clearly rapists".

I just can't get into Political Correctness. I try so hard, too.....

Rasta

Rastaman

Before we get off on a sexist rant against all men, let's try to remember that this abomination is a RELIGIOUS practice. Christians don't do it, Buddhists don't do it, Hindus and Sikhs don't do it.

I'm not certain that it's just muslims who do this crime, it may be a tribal practice among some African tribes. I recall reading something about that, a long time back. It is a gross violation of a persons body and dignity, which puts it on a par with many other disgusting practices of muslims.

If we want this to stop we have to kill the religion. The men are just as much forced into it from birth as the women are.

In the meantime, I gotta comment, if anyone could come up with a way to restore womens pleasure, it would have to be the French! LOL! But good for them. Every once in awhile they do a good thing. Last one was inventing the Aqualung. I don't recall anything before that.

Rastaman

Layla

They are barbarians and I am so glad that someone is finally doing something to help these poor women and girls.

SPIT on the sick men and the sick religion of peace...heh!

Angel

I think I'm going to be sick..all the men are clearly rapists then...how horrific are these barbarians Debbie!!!

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