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Stormwarning

Well, I commented on "Miss" Coulter's outrageous statements in my post...tracked back above.

Debbie

Stormwarning: I don’t care for Ann Coulter. I am very quiet, soft-spoken, reserved woman. I say what I think and what I mean, but I do it nicely, like a lady. That’s something that seems to be missing from so many these days. Makes me sound like an old geezer, but the truth is my mother was the same way. I inherited this trait plus my mother and father raised me right.

I cringe every time I hear Ann. So many Consevatives just LOVE her. At the root of her outrageous statements is usually some nugget of truth. But that truth seems to get lost because everyone is talking about the crazy rant she has given. I don’t care for her.

But I did think that Fern Sidman made an excellent point. What did Jews or anyone else expect her to say. It is part of the Christian faith that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Having said that, I believe God has a plan, and not being privy to that entire plan, I’ll leave the destiny of the Jews and everyone else up to His judgement.

Roger W. Gardner

This was one of the most fair-minded and intelligent articles I have read in a long time. Thank you Deb for posting it.

Those who live by the sword -- This may just be the one that puts her over the edge. For me, the thrill of Ann Coulter has already worn thin. She has become a kind of female shock-jock, who constantly seems to be under some self-imposed pressure to outdo her latest outrageous statements -- a course that can only lead to disaster. There is something more than a little desperate going on here.

In our present precarious global circumstances, I can't decide which statements are more asinine -- Nancy Pelosi's incredibly stupid resolution condemning one of our only allies in the whole Middle East for something that occured in 1915, or Ann Coulter's equally incredibly stupid attempt to denigrate the religion of the only Western-style democracy in the whole Middle East.

I guess it's a toss-up.

PALADIN

WELL ANN BLEW IT BIG TIME THIS TIME. BUT YA KNOW I CAN APPRECIATE A PERSON LIKE ANN , BECAUSE SHE SHOOTS FROM THE HIP, AND MOST, I REPEAT MOST OF THE TIME SHE,S BANG ON. WELL I WON,T BE ONE TO BE CALLING FOR HER HEAD ON A PLATTER, BUT I DO WISH SHE,D THINK A LITTLE MORE BEFORE SHE SPEAKS.

Stormwarning

Did you get the trackback that I sent?

Frankly Debbie, while she is entitled to them, I don’t care about her beliefs. I have a problem when people (anyone) make a point of pushing their beliefs on other people, especially when they know that the other people don’t share those beliefs. She said what she said, where and when she did, for effect. She had an ulterior motive in doing on Donny Deutsch’s show. If you saw the video tapes, she had a smirk on her face when she played “kitty-kat” with Deutsch.

BTW, I believe that this is not the first time that you and I have discussed Ms. Coulter…I don’t remember which post (of mine or your’s)…but it wasn’t on this one.

PS: I should have titled my post, “Ann Coulter, Bad for America.” She represents alot of what is wrong with America these days (my opinion of course).

Debbie

Roger: I just left a comment for you are your place.

Paladin: Thanks.

Stormwarning: The trackback should show up now. I have to approve them before they show up.

D. Ox

Well, so many will NEVER get these things. Ann Coulter actually dares to believe her faith.

http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2007/10/ann-coulter-theologian.html

Duh.

D. Ox

Why don't you join the Dumb Ox Bloggregator?

Debbie

Dumb Ox: I think you missed the point of the article. It stresses that Ann was right in what she said, what else could she say? Christians DO believe that a person is saved by faith in Jesus Christ. Could Jews or anyone else expect Christians to say any different? It's the basis of the religion.

Having said that, we cannot be so big headed as to presume we know ALL that God knows. I'm sure he has much in His head that was not provided to man via the Bible. I trust Him to take care of things they way they should be.

Debbie

Dumb Ox: Add me to it or do I need to do something?

Bill Mitchell

By saying that Jews need to be "perfected", Ann was saying something I have heard 1000 times in church before.

It is NOT an insult to Jews, rather just statement that the Jews are already the chosen people of God, they just need to bee "perfected" by a relationship to Christ.

It's just the idiotic MSM that has no concept of Biblical Terminology who is freaking out.

Idiots!

Debbie

Bill: If they were are religious as they claim, they would KNOW this wouldn't they?

Grouch at Right Truth

As a Christian, I know what I believe. I also believe that it is not my place to judge someone else's relationship (or lack of it) with the Almighty. After all, how can anyone know what exactly is in someone else's heart?

Some of the most sanctimonious and judgmental people I know profess to be Christians, but after all, Jesus did say that only whoever was without sin should cast the first stone.

I'm with the little wifey. I'm content to let God fulfill His big plan for humanity. I don't feel I have to worry about it.

A favorite song of mine is "Red Dirt Road" by Brooks and Dunn, and my favorite line in the song is, "The path to heaven is full of sinners and believers, and happiness on earth ain't just for high achievers."

I think that about says it all.

By the way, I prefer sweet soft spoken women. That's why I have my sweet one.

I don't think Ann and I would hit it off so well even though I agree with most of her politics.

Rawsense2004

Dear Debbie, I read most of the post until I got to the part where I realized he had no idea of what Ann actually said before, because he never bothered to do any research. He was just spewing out what he's heard from others, whether he was saying she was right or not. She never said she wished Silky boy was killed by a terrorist. That is what the left do, and he wanted to make our outstanding and outspoken lady out to be like them. She is not.

I, too, am a Christian. I do not 'judge' people on whether or not they are going to hell, but the Bible does. If you do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour into your heart, repent of your sins and pick up your own cross, you will not stay in Heaven, no matter how 'good' you are.

Even as Christians, the word 'sanctification' means that we are not perfect either! We are being perfected. Imagine that! Also, I do not want to leave anyone behind--Just as God does not wish this. He gave us free will to choose to love Him. Not because He wanted us to do evil. We chose that...

Faultline USA

Debbie, I think your article about Ann Coulter was excellent, fair and balanced. You wrote in your comment “What did Jews or anyone else expect her to say. . .” I think it’s a matter of how she said what she said. I tend to agree with Roger Gardner’s comments as well.

Debbie, I think your article about Ann Coulter was excellent, fair and balanced. You wrote in your comment “What did Jews or anyone else expect her to say. . .” I think it’s a matter of how she said what she said. I tend to agree with Roger Gardner’s comments as well.

I’ll add your article link to Christians Against Leftist Heresy.

Roger W. Gardner

I must add that, although I definitely think that, for whatever reason, she went way too far this time, even if, as some have pointed out here, there was some theological truth to it, it was just too crude and offensive to phrase it the way she did, in the setting that she chose. I suspect that her trademark caustic wit is often purposely overplayed for effect -- or to sell more books. Although, I have to admit that I do agree with almost everthing she's said up till now -- just not the way she's always said it.

Rockyspoon

What on earth is an "ethic minority"?? Some peopel kneed to profreed their artikles.

Stormwarning

There's no theological truth to what Coulter said if you use only the Old Testament.

heidianne jackson

i may not be the most soft-spoken of women, but i'm no loudmouth either. however, i do not believe that ann is representative of "alot of what is wrong with america" at this point.

at what point do we as christians say "this is what my god says and i'm not judging, i'm just informing."? i agree that she could have explained her position better, but she was not denigrating anyone.

this is not much different from media matters taking rush out of context. instead, this is pc people trying to (once again) spin a story out of nothing.

again, i agree that her style is abrassive. i agree that she goes over the top to make her point. i agree that she is a female shockjock. i also agree with what she says - including this time.

i do not judge and i believe that god has a greater plan. i also believe that god requires us to be forthright and stand up for our beliefs even if that means offending someone else.

btw, i am 1/2 jew. i spoke to my father on this and he was not offended in the least. his feelings were that it would be better for people to be at least as offended by the muslims among us because they actually ARE denigrating and calling for the outright annihilation of jews.

suek

Read this article about Coulter. It brought tears to my eyes. Warshawsky says he's a non-religious Jew.
Which is a topic for another discussion some time. Why do people consider themselves Jewish if they don't practice Judaism? Why do people call themselves Catholic/Christian if they disagree with basic precepts? I don't understand the self-identification....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/on_coulter_christians_and_jews.html

Debbie

Thanks for the comments, links, proof reading advice. Much appreciated.

Paul Champagne

You may not always agree with Ann (God knows, I don't), but you have to admit she is extremely funny and entertaining ... and when she squares off with Democratic strategist, Bob Beckle ... now that's entertainment.

Ernesto Ribeiro

Anybody here just watched Ann Coulter on Fox News - interviewed on The O'Reilly Factor "explaining herself" to Bill O'Reilly ? She simply sweat and stayed in the chords!

Sorry for my terribly bad English.

Stormwarning

THE FOLLOWING ALL WITH DUE RESPECT TO OUR HOST, DEBBIE HAMILTON AND HER HUBBY, "THE GROUCH."

Suek, as a non-religious man of the Jewish faith, let me try to provide a very basic explanation.

You can live a good Jewish life without:

- keeping a Kosher home and cooking Kosher
- praying everyday
- attending Shul every Saturday
- wearing Talit and Tefilin
- says the blessings over meals etc. each and everytime
- wear a skullcap everywhere
- grow his sidelocks long (peyos)
- never cut your beard (if you have one - but you're not supposed to shave)
- not sit with women when you pray
- never even consider marrying out of the religion
- etc., etc., etc. (I am certain that I've missed a few of the basics).

Let me tell you my Christian friends. You are all unquestionably entitled to your beliefs...as I am. I do not believe in Jesus...you do. I know that my Grandfather is looking down on me from Heaven and guiding my decisions in my life as an entrepreneur (he, too, was a risk taker)...my other 3 grandparents, my parents and my youngest brother are in Heaven. That is what I believe.

As I said, you are all entitled to believe whatever it is that you believe. Simply, do not judge me if I don't believe the same.

Steven M. Warshawsky is as ignorant IMO, as he accuses others of being when they declare themselves if they label themselves as "liberal." For goodness sakes, there are atleast four subdenominations of Judaism (Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, Progressive - hey thats five!). Because we lost 6 million during the Holocaust, many Rabbis believe that we all should be permitted to practice Judaism in a way most comfortable to each person. That doesn't diminish in any way our Jewishness.

As for Ann Coulter, I believe that what she did and said was planned, calculated and for effect. I watched the tape more than once and saw her ugly smirk on her face as Deutsch responded in disbelief.

Get off the Internet and interview real people...ask a few real Rabbis and see what they thought about Coulter's hatefulness.

bernie

Nothing that Ann Coulter has ever said is as dangerous as the liberal question, "What Islamic threat?"

Debbie

Stormwarning: You say "As for Ann Coulter, I believe that what she did and said was planned, calculated and for effect." That is exactly what she does. It stirs up conversation about her and publicity for her upcoming new book.

As I said in my earlier comment:

"I believe God has a plan, and not being privy to that entire plan, I’ll leave the destiny of the Jews and everyone else up to His judgement." I trust Him.

Paul: You are right, they are entertaining.

Ernesto: I missed O'Reilly and Ann. Don't worry about your English, we love your comments.

Debbie

Bernie: Excellent point.

Stormwarning

Debbie, if you ignore my Coulter comments, what I was attempting to do was answer Suek's question without offending anyone.

Jack

It is NOT an insult to Jews

You can't decide what is insulting for other people. I understand that this is common belief among many Xtians. I don't have a problem with it.

If I had a conversation with Ann I'd have no problem telling her that she got it wrong and that she believes in a myth. I am just as confident in my faith as she is.

But the thing about this is that there is a history here that might not make sense to some people.

There is a collective memory of hatred towards us that makes many Jews wary of these comments.

Not to mention that the intentional targeting of Jews for conversion is considered by many to be quite offensive.

The thing that strikes me is was there really a need for her to say this in the manner that she did. It could have been phrased differently.

Is it possible that some of us are over reacting? Could be, but then again I have read more than one post in which people came after Jews for having the audacity to say that we were offended.

Look, we all have our moments and I am sure that I have said my own share of offensive things. But when it comes down to it there was just something nasty about her manner and it felt wrong.

I apologize for the length of the comment, just one more remark.

In a time in which there is so much polarization I just wish that there was more of an effort to try and bring people together than to split us apart.

Debbie

Stormwarning: I understand, I simply wanted to reiterate that statement. Thanks.

Jeremayakovka

The short answer: Yes, we really do need Ann Coulter to speak on college campuses during IFAW.

(What a lot of self-important blather in this post to make a simple, and simplistic, point.)

Dean Berry Ministries

Yeah but Coulter does her readers a disservice in not telling them liberalism - like socialism and communism - was founded by "jews". This is simply historical fact. Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky were all "jews". Visit http://deanberryministries.us if you have any questions. AND DON'T BE A TYPICAL "JEWISH" FAG AND DELETE THE TRUTH.

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