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What science has done is to expel manipulative BULLSHIT
from the classroom. Religion
has assaulted freedom and
truth for thousands of years in order to control other people.Maybe we should allow the Flat Earth Theory to be taught in schools as well...BTW Skunkfeathers, you have no respect for FACTS; and I have no respect for those who dont respect facts-NO MATTER HOW much of an
inconvenience those facts may be to your
"conservative agenda"!

We will see Expelled this week. I love this conversation here and David's use of the word "falsifiability." :-)

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@"David"

Big words. Involved in "big science," are you?

BIG BANG! BOOM!!!

@"Stormwarning":

"Big Science"--as represented by the broken peer review system and academe playing the part of Platonic Astronomers persecuting Gallileo (and here you probably thought it was the church)--has dome more to retard real science than anything else in recent years. Try applying Karl Popper's classic definition of scientific falsifiability to ANY of the wacko anthropogenic global warming/climate change less-than-theories that are touted by "Big Science" as recieved dogma nowadays.

From there, go to Dawkins' stupid and arrogant labeling of any critic of his Neodarwinist Faith as an idiot (to the Neodarwinist Faithful--as with the AGW faithful, facts and arguments always descend to little more than namecalling, so accurate labeling in return only seems fair).

Then look at the Big Bang theorists who pronounced Steady State dead... yet have had to quietly, without rocking the Big Bang boat, adopt ever more and more of the steady state model as more facts impeach their beloved Big Bang. But vewy, vewy quietwy, so as not to distuwb the fiction of the Big Bang.

Big Science has become, as such has historically tended to become, entrenched in dogmatic viewpoints that eschew genuine groundbreaking exploration (and often simple observable facts, as is increasingly the case with the AGW fathful) in favor of ever more cumbersome Rube Goldberg patches on recieved dogma. That's the state of science Galileo faced in hbis day, and it seems to repeat itself (anyone recall the 19th century physicist who proclaimed that all that was left for science was to fill in some minor details?).

Big Science has all the disadvantages of interlocking bureaucratic organizations and few of the advantages of real scientific exploration.

See Jerry Pournelle's very, very brief essay relating to Darwinism and Intelligent Design, posted just last week. Just copy-paste:

http://jerrypournelle.com/view/2008/Q2/view514.html#Intelligent

UPDATE:

Opening on about half the screens of other top 10 movies, "Expelled," Ben Stein's documentary on academia's censorship of any ideas hinting of intelligent design, scored an impressive $3.2 million in its opening weekend – more than all but eight other movies.

"Expelled" rolled out in 1,052 theaters, compared with 3,151 for the top grosser, "The Forbidden Kingdom."

The movie, promoted heavily in conservative and Christian circles throughout the U.S., performed much better than the weekend's other new current-affairs documentary, "Where in the World Is Osama bin Laden?" That movie, the second feature from "Super Size Me" filmmaker Morgan Spurlock, banked a mere $143,299 in 102 locations, for a terrible $1,405 average. "Expelled" brought in nearly $3,000 per screen.

"not all conservatives are burdened with impossible belief systems like creationism"

Impossible? IMPOSSIBLE? To believe all this "just happened" without any direction or intervention is much more impossible.

Just one look at our earth, teeming with life screams evidence of the existence of the Creator.

Expelled is a hack-job by a bunch of scientist wannabees. It thoroughly (and deliberately) misrepresents the views of real scientists. Despite the prevailing superstitions, not all conservatives are burdened with impossible belief systems like creationism (I'm certainly not). This movie is a waste of time unless you are just wanting to resonate with a fellow-traveler.

I haven't been out to a movie theater since Shrek, but I'm going out to watch THIS one.

I am looking forward to seeing this one.

I haven't seen the movie and may not until it gets to cable (disclosure: and I've never liked Ben Stein and his whining delivery). But I am wondering about the premise. "Big Science?" Is this an argument for "creationism" and "intelligent design?" Just wondering. Is big science responsible for the US losing its leadership in STEM? Is "big science" responsible for the declining attention to basic science in our country?

It is interesting the reaction his movie is getting. It is listed in the top 3 this weekend for ticket sales, so that is encouraging. While I don't necessarily agree with Stein's premise, I fully support his right to make the movie and be treated with respect by critics. He's conservative in Hollywierd so that'll never happen and any success he has will be pooh-poohed, for which he is fully prepared. Hats off to Ben.

These scientists sound like the same kind of politically-oriented yutzes who are pushing the fraud of "global warming" for AlGore's fraud-ladened pack of freaks and fools.

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