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July 04, 2008

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Rudy

That is why I no longer call islam a religion. Nor do I lend it the dignity of capitalizing its name as I do with Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc... The day is coming when islamic jihadi terrorists are going to push too far, and unlike 9/11 there will be no controlled, measured response.

Francis W. Porretto

All our problems with Islam stem from the mistake of calling it a religion. It is not. It's a program of world conquest with some absurd theological trappings, and always has been. (See here: http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/a_terminological_mandate/)

A religion, by my lights, is something freely chosen by the operation of the individual conscience and will. Islam is as far from that definition as any system of belief could possibly get.

Steve Harkonnen

When Bush declared Islam as a peaceful religion, this is when I lost all respect for him because in my mindset he was capitulating and being an apologist toward the enemy.

Have you also noticed how the media avoids using the term "Muslims" to identify our enemies, but instead uses caveats "Asian youths", "disenfranchised youths" instead?

Great piece and well written; tells it like it really is. True, we won't win this war unless we start calling a spade a spade and quit being so damned apologetic all the time. Whenever I talk about it in the open, people realize where I am coming from - you can tell they want to say it with me, but have this wierd, inner fear, telling them not to. It's almost like something out of a science fiction novel, as if they are under mind control.

Stormwarning

And thus, I must consider both of my Muslim friends to be my enemy, is that correct?

TX CHL Instructor

Stormwarning: If you are wise, you will indeed consider your two muslim "friends" to be your enemies. If they follow the quran faithfully, they already consider you to be their enemy, following the quran's directive to only pretend to be friends with infidels.

Stormwarning

Whether or not my two Muslim friends follow the Koran or not, they are my friends (this is old ground since I've made this statement before on this site and been told that neither my Pakistani or Palestinian friend can truly be my friend - - - yes! by readers on this very blog).

I appear to be far more wise, however, than you, or anyone who ascribes to the beliefs as provides in Sobieskey's missive...and far more wise than anyone who does not accept that we are not "American's all" - http://tinyurl.com/5rhrg6 .

 fouse, gary c

In the grand tradition of Iran's lunatic Ayatollah Khomeini (who issued a Fatwa against British subject, Salmon Rushdie), and the murder of Dutch Filmmaker, Theo Van Gogh on a Dutch street by a Muslim immigrant a few years back-comes this out of the Kingdom of Jordan: During the past month, a Jordanian prosecutor has filed charges for blasphemy and "contempt of Muslims" against Danish cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard, as well as 10 Danish newspaper editors who published the cartoons that infuriated the Muslim world and set off deadly riots across the globe. In addition, also charged with similar "crimes" is Dutch politician, Geert Wilders, whose offense was to make a short film (Fitna or Strife) that stated that the Koran incited violence. The charges against the Danes came in early June, while charges against Wilders came early this month. The warrants issued by Prosecutor, Hassan Abdullat, in Amman come as a result of a complaint filed by a Jordanian group called "The Prophet Unites Us". Thus, the Jordanian prosecutor has summoned all of the above Europeans to report to Jordan for trial or international arrest warrants will be issued.

Can you say "Chutzpah"?

Though neither Denmark nor the Netherlands have signalled any intention of arresting their citizens and extraditing them to Jordan, all of the affected individuals may have their ability to travel outside their own borders restricted if international arrest warrants are obtained. An international arrest warrant could be circulated within Interpol. On the surface it would seem implausible that Interpol would enforce arrest warrants on these charges (They do not honor warrants based on political crimes) However, given the cowardly manner in which many European countries are conducting themselves in the face of Islamic intimidation, who knows?)

In the case of Wilders (who is a Dutch Member of Parliament), he appealed to his foreign minister, a certain Maxime Verhagen, to summon the Jordanian Ambassador in Holland for a lecture on freedom of speech. Verhagen declined, stating that it would represent "interference in Jordanian judicial matters"!!??!

Meanwhile in Riyahd, the Organization of Islam Conference (OIC), a league of 56 Muslim nations, expressed "disappointment" that the Dutch prosecutors could take no action against Wilders based on "free speech issues".

So now, Middle East prosecutors are filing charges against foreigners in the West who dare to criticize Islam-and this from one of the so-called "moderate, pro-American" nations. Have you ever heard of such brazen arrogance? And what about the cowardice of the Dutch Foreign Minister who will not speak out and summon the Jordanian Ambassador for a good chewing out? At what point does any self-respecting nation tell these fans of the 7th century that, here in the West, we have freedom of speech, and we will never give up our citizens to some Third World banana republic (which Wilders has correctly called Jordan).

A note to the Jordanian prosecutor who is so concerned about "contempt of Muslims": You could go a long way toward eliminating said "contempt" if you would lock up the killers that are giving Islam such a bad name around the world.

The entire civilized world should stand shoulder to shoulder with the Geert Wilders, Kurt Westergaards and Salmon Rushdies of the world.

gary fouse
fousesquawk

Debbie

Whatever your views are, the one true thing is that unless we identify the enemy, we will never win this war. The fact that we are now going to "PROFILE", is a good step forward.

Stormwarning

Well, with that I can agree. Profiling is one of the only certain ways to ensure that when I go on an airplane, that it won't be hijacked or blown up. Its not a guarantee though, since there are plenty of "white guys" who can do tremendous damage when they wish (and often have).

Ernesto Ribeiro

If Adolf Hitler had created the Nazist RELIGION, verybody would respect him like Mohammed and Islam. or even more than that: ISLAMISM KILLED 270 MILLION PEOPLE. Naziism killed 80 million.

Stormwarning

Invoking Godwin's Law.

Debbie

Comment FROM R. J. Godlewski:

1.) "O people, know that you have committed great sins, and that the great ones among you have committed these sins. If you ask me what proof I have for these words, I say it is because I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you." Chinggis Khan, 1220 A.D., in a crowded Bukhara mosque, addressing conquered Muslims.

2.) To Stormwarning: I commend you for your loyalty to your Pakistani and Palestinian friends. However, have you considered that your association may have delayed your ability to gain the TS clearance that you need to conduct your business?

3.) I might also recommend that everyone go back and re-read Mr. Dobrot's The Global War On Terrorism: A Religious War? piece which was included in Independent Counterterrorist training Module Four: Religion, Faith, and War.


--end comment.

Stormwarning

"Ronnie," considering that the application hasn't been filed, you're wrong, once again. Also, considering the type of work I'm already doing, and the access that I already have, you're wrong, once again. This is not the McCarthy Era when my associations will prevent things from occuring.

Your insights are revealing and consistent with the feedback I got when I asked a few questions.

Stormwarning

Why "sigh" Thomas? To accept without questioning someone's acclaim is to perhaps be duped the claims thereof. The words were "twinky central."

Stormwarning

No less than al Jezeera has acknowledged that Obama is not a Muslim.

http://tinyurl.com/5bwd4y (Amy Proctor)

Further, once again, I state that casting a broad blanket over all Muslims is NOT an act of thinking people...Perhaps "just" people who are afraid.

Atom&Yves

I appear to be far more wise, however, than you, or anyone who ascribes to the beliefs as provides in Sobieskey's missive...and far more wise than anyone who does not accept that we are not "American's all"

Posted by: Stormwarning | July 05, 2008 at 10:07 AM

We certainly are full of ourself, aren't we Stormwarning? I presume you know for a fact that, in the unlikely event that islam were to attempt to overthrow America, your MINO "friends" would not hold your feet, while their rigidly islamic brethren slice your throat?

Stormwarning

Absolutely, with certainty, and without question, A&Y. Just as certain as I am of my certainty.

Debbie

Comment from R. J. Godlewski For Stormwarning:


[deleted], I still admire you for your loyalty to your friends. However, people are not like documents, especially those who subscribe to a faith that preaches "Soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers..." Qur'an [3:151] [deleted]. I, myself, have known both Iraqis and Iranians as very close friends, but they still subscribed to "blood of the clan" mentalities. Unless you're a Muslim, you will be treated with suspicion by those who are. That's just simple human logic. By the way, say 'Hello!' to all of my friends [deleted]!

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