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R.J. Godlewski

Being "Roman Catholic" means believing in Church doctrine as defined by the Vatican. It's about damn time that the Vatican stepped in to keep American "Catholics" Catholic.

Too many religious are endorsing gay rights, female ordination, etc. Too many Catholic universities are teaching Liberation Theology, etc.

If anyone cannot pick up a Catechism and understand PRECISELY what being Roman Catholic is, then, by all means, leave. There are plenty of Christian denominations that are glad to accept people.

The Church remains in apostolic succession -- meaning that the Pope holds the keys to the kingdom of Heaven (authenticated by Peter being the first Pope).

"Vatican Lays a Cunning Trap for American Nuns." How so? The nuns apparently backed themselves into a trap by deviating from Vatican authority. If they want to be "American Catholics", there IS an American Catholic Church in California that endorses gay marriages, women priestesses, and divorce.

On the other hand, if ANYONE wants to call themselves Roman Catholic, then they must believe in the tradition of the Church as established by Christ, the Mass as largely unchanged since the first century, and the Vatican as the bearer of Catholic doctrine and dogma.

Inasmuch as simply 'believing' in Christ does not make oneself Christian, simply calling oneself "Catholic" does not mean that one is in union with the universal Catholic Church.

This speaks more of feminism than "powerful men who feel threatened."

Debbie

R.J. I knew you would have something to say about this, glad you commented. You sum it up with this one sentence "The nuns apparently backed themselves into a trap by deviating from Vatican authority".

That was my original thought also, but I'm not Catholic so I wanted to hear from you, and others, on their thoughts.

Thanks

R.J. Godlewski

Debbie,

You are most welcome. I just thought that the whole story held an ulterior motive inconsistent with either Catholic (specifically) or Christian (generally) teaching.

I am reminded of a news story from many years ago when the Church, largely through priests, etc., brought up as a pertinent example, a lawsuit filed, I believe, by a Delta Airlines flight attendant who was fired for being overweight.

Many could not understand how any "religious" figures could support the airline over the employee. The argument was, however, that the flight attendant had agreed to the conditions of employment and only when they no longer suited her, did she decide that they were invalid.

This represents pretty much the same situation here. Nuns -- even modern ones who no longer want to wear habits, etc. -- serve the Church, not themselves (which is, you'll correct me if I am in error, how Lucifer and his minions got chucked out of Heaven's suburbs). Every item they have, if not purchased with their own money (the salary coming from the Vatican, by the way), belongs to the Church. Their title, belongs to the Church. The wedding band they wear signifies that they are married to Christ, henceforth the Church.

If they do not want to abide by the rules they agreed to, then they can leave and use whatever funds they can raise to create thteir own church.

What many American catholics do not realize is that "someday" there will no longer be any America. Someday, there will be no more planet Earth. If the Bible is correct -- and it is -- all things created come to an end. However, Christ's Church will reign forever.

As I recently wrote, "Eternity" pales everything else... :o)

R.J.

Susan Benton

R.J. you essential said everything that needs to be said. After all if you don't agree with an organization you are free to leave - esp. in the USA. There are plenty of ways to do good without being an RC nun - so if you don't like it leave or shut up. While still fairly loyal, I no longer am a part of my faith group - I like where they were 50-100 years ago, so I go my own way. I don't expect them to come to my way of thinking. It is that simple really.

R.J. Godlewski

@Susan,

Thank you. I did not mean to go off on a tangent there, but the whole story seems prefabricated for a reason. As if nuns are somehow granted more rights than either the Church or the Vatican, which is, many people are surprised to know, a nation-state of its own right.

People simply do not change God. When Vatican II made Mass more accessible by facing the priest towards the congregation, using local languages instead of Latin, etc. it was meant to make God more comprehensible for us mere humans. Instead, we "mere humans" tried to complicate things for God by demanding -- yes, demanding -- that Christ's Church be redefined to suit our silly needs.

Church history goes back ~1,500 years before even the Bible was made readily available. Every issue conceivable had been debated and authenticated LONG before there was even a United States. Progressives want to change all of this simply because their lives are more important than the billions upon billions upon billions of people impacted by the Church.

Boy, Satan sure does have his filthy claws into their souls... :o)

Regards,

R.J.

Lionel Andrades

Tuesday, June 19, 2012
When the LCWR invites Curran, Hubbard and Schneiders they are saying the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3) and every one does not need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7)
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) is rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are saying that the Catholic Church is not the sole moral authority.

Statutes are approved of a religious organization which does not believe in exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the literal interpretation of the dogma ? The LCWR is Catholic even when it says invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit exceptions to the dogma ? Are these 'exceptions' not always implicit for the SSPX?

I have mentioned on a blog that if you invite Charles Curran to speak you are telling us all what you believe. If you openly promote New Age you are telling us what you believe. In the case of the LCWR, they represent the Church and so they are saying that this is what the Church teaches. They are also saying that there is no exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. When you invite Barbara Marx Hubbard your message is clear. You are saying that the Catholic Church is not the one true Church (UR 3, Vatican Council II) and all people do not need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7).Your also saying that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II which negates AG 7.

If a Mother Superior of a community affiliated with the LCWR inquired if their community could hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance etc in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7), would the LCWR approve?

They would be saying that all non Catholics in 2012 need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and if there are any exceptions,' who have not had the Gospel preached to them’ it would be known only to God.

This is not the ecclesiology of the LCWR which is centered on Jesus and excludes the Church. So an LCWR member can believe in Jesus, according to the Jehovah Witnesses, distribute sacred pictures of Jesus as they do in Rome, and teach according to their religion and still consider oneself in the Catholic Church. This would be Jesus without the Catholic Church which the Bible tells us is His Mystical Body.The LCWR rejects exclusive ecclesiocentrism.
The CDF could help the sisters by announcing that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptisms of desire are implicit for us and only explicit for God.

It is true that only those who know about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are oriented to Hell (LG 14) however we cannot judge that someone is really in invincible ignorance or someone is not. This judgement is left to God.The dogma and AG 7 says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.

If anyone says Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong for rejecting the baptism of desire they are making a mistake. The baptism of desire is not a known exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma.-Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/when-lcwr-invites-curran-hubbard-and.html#links

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