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Susan Benton

Hurrah for Mr. Boston! But this is not enough. May I suggest that everyone send this letter to their congressmen. Go to www.firstgov.gov to find their contact information.

Oh, and did anyone notice that in Russia PRAVADA has published an article (in English at least) urging Americans not to give up their guns. When the Russians did so they lost their freedom to the communist.

(Rhino!) CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret.

As a former Marine that has trained at Edson range, I know there is nothing more dangerous as a US Marine that will not allow himself to be separated from his weapon.

And this is just one of over 100 million gun owners.

I think "Diane" is just pushing for the Gun Show loophole to be closed. The other stuff, the registration of all "grandfathered" weapons via the NFA branch is a rouse...

No matter, we need to stop this "Woman" before she affixes her hypocritical desires on the American People...

Corporal Boston, E and E is now your best bet...

John

Feinstein will push for everything she can get. JB said what every American should be saying. I for one have had my fill of these 'politicians-for-life'.

R.J. Godlewski

Senator Feinstein is employing an old negotiating trick. She is asking for everything so that when she gets what she REALLY wants, the GOP will be happy to compromise and give it to her.

BEWARE!!!!!!!!

(Rhino!) CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret.

Diane, is asking for hundreds of millions of weapons, the grandfathered ones, to be registered through the National Firearms Act (NFA) Branch, 20 people that work there...

What she really wants is a solution to the "Gun Show Loophole", she gets that and the termination and collection of High Capacity mags, and the witch from California will walk and consider herself victorious.

Solution that will not give the US Government a national gun registry:

At each gun show, Position a desk with appropriate technology and phone hookups for Law Enforcement (LE) use.

When a person, not a FFL Holder, wishes to buy or sell a gun with another person, again, not a FFL holder, they walk over to a desk or table set up by LE and they pay $20.00 (Paid by the buyer, subtracted from the price of the weapon) and have checks completed. LE does the following:

1. Check to see if the gun is stolen, If so, the weapon is confiscated, if not, the sale passes step 1.

2. Check the Buyer for any current “Wants and Warrants”, if they are wanted, the LE places them under arrest, If, not, they pass step 2.

3. When the 2 steps are completed, the LE entity issues a 3 copy document. This document shows that the gun is legal, the buyer is free of warrants and it documents the transaction.

4. 1 page is retained locally by the LE Entity, not the ATF, just like a gun store. One page is given to the Buyer as proof the gun was determined to not be stolen at a certain time, date and location. One page is given to the Seller, as proof the gun was determined to not be stolen at a certain time, date and location and they are no longer the owner of the weapons in question.

5. All three documents will have an original seal with time and date stamp and LE transaction control number. The $20.00 is used to offset the cost of having the LE Officers present to do the checks as noted above.

Problem solved... Everyone is happy. And, there is no National Gun Registry.

The Police copy of the form is retained locally and must be obtained by a warrant to get the buyers address and private data.

PALADIN

He, he ! Good for him.
As i've said previously , they are'nt taking into account the "other Army" out there..i.e. VFW American Legion, VVA, IVA , etc.
Who the hell does Finestein think she is ?

Imagine her gall and the gall of Obamugabe telling someone who has put his life on the line , that they are now breaking the law if they own a simple SLR (self loading rifle)
Self loaders are not assault rifles, assualt rifles have the selector switch option of full auto. That is the definition of an assault rifle....Finestein ya turd !

PALADIN

@RJ you are correct..ask for way too much, get what ya really want..old Liberal/Bolshevik Union tactic.
Finestein can go piss up a rope.
Shes probably good at it.

(Rhino!) CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret.

Pal,

Correct as usual....

The thing that has to be stopped is a National Gun Registry or NGR.

To stop the confiscation of Weapons already in existence and their accessories (High Cap Mags) that are owned by Lawful Americans.

The NFA registration of Grandfathered weapons, the confiscation of weapons owned when that person dies, the legal prevention of an American buying or selling something is Bullsh*t!

The NFA Branch does not have the people or the funds to register under the NFA over 300 million weapons owned by 100 million Americans, so that's how I know that this item, is a compete rouse by "Diane"..

She will swap this for the closing of the Gun Show Loophole... And, she will run around screaming "I Won!, I won!"

As I indicated above, the solution, without creating a National gun registry is easy to do, guns are kept out of the hands of criminals, weapons that are stolen will be confiscated and returned to the lawful owner, the ATF does not have the data on a federal level because the County Sheriff's Office has that data (I trust the Local Sheriff's Office far more than the Federal Government)

Nothings perfect, but common sense can prevail, and "Most" Americans have common sense in spades!

PALADIN

@ Jon U. Jon i like your idea, it saves a whole lotta hassle and yes i trust my local Sheriff waaaaaay more than any federal registry.
But if the federal turds in the Puzzle Palace (White House) want to get that registry, what choice does the local sheriff have but to give it to em ?
They tried a federal registry in Canada, and after 8 yrs they scrapped it completely because it did'nt work....a billion dollars later though.

Everyone i knew who owned any type of firearm , said hell no !
The New Conservative Government realized this and the registry and all the info it contained were destroyed...hopefully.
Theres only 35 million people in Canada and it was a major porkchop...i can't imagine what a nightmare it would be trying to register 300 million firearms.

It's impossible ! Especially when "We The People" tell the turds to go pound sand.
Finestein is stupider than we give her credit for if she thinks it will work.

(Rhino!) CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret.

Pal,

I would think that a requirement to present a warrant to the Sheriff would be the appropriate action required by such a step forward. At least the Feds would have to go to a Judge to get access to the documents and the information on it.

Again, problem and "Concern" solved...

Tim Ammons

Following is my own letter to the Senator.

Sen. Feinstein,
This letter is in response to your proposed weapons ban. I would like to first discern between gun control and gun bans. I am all for gun control to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable. I am not opposed to 100% background checks nor would I be opposed to a requirement to pass a basic gun safety course prior to purchasing a weapon. However I am adamantly opposed to any type of ban on magazines or weapons as it is a direct infringement upon our 2nd Amendment rights as granted by the Constitution of the United States. As a representative of the people and a person that can enact legislation for the masses, I feel that it is your civic duty and that you are morally bound to research the facts and issues prior to enacting said legislation on the people of the United States. I am writing this letter to bring to light information that I have seen you misrepresent in your press conferences.

First of all I would like to address the term that you have popularized as “assault weapon”. The criteria you use to determine what is and what isn’t an assault weapon is based solely on cosmetic items and does not address the lethality of a weapon or its rate of fire. Simply put if an AR15 had a traditional stock, no pistol grip, a 10 round magazine, no forward vertical grip, or flash suppressor then you would consider it legal and the same as what you refer to as a hunting rifle. However this gun would still fire the same ammunition and have the same rate of fire as a traditional AR15. An adjustable stock, vertical forward grip, and pistol grip do not make a gun a “killing machine” as you say it simply makes a weapon more comfortable for the shooter. A flash suppressor does nothing to make a weapon more lethal. It simply suppresses the muzzle flash, nothing more.

Second I would like to address in your words “high capacity magazines”. First off in regards to the AK47 and the AR15 platform they are in fact standard capacity magazines as that is what they were originally sold with and designed to use. Secondly I would like to point you to a link that demonstrates exactly how long it takes to change a magazine on an AR15. In the video1 below the commentator states that the magazine was changed in about a half a second however if you listen to the times you will find the time was in fact .27 seconds. The difference between firing a 30 round magazine and three 10 round magazines with two magazine changes would be less than a second. There is no possible way that you can honestly believe that less people would die with the smaller magazines. This is direct quote from the DOJ study on the results of your previous ban stating the same. “However, other analyses using a variety of national and local data sources found no clear ban effects on certain types of murders that were thought to be more closely associated with the rapid-fire features of assault weapons and other semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines. The ban did not produce declines in the average number of victims per incident of gun murder or gun murder victims with multiple wounds.”2

Now let’s address gun murders in the US. The rates of murder by gun in the US have been declining for the last 20 years and are in fact the lowest they have been since 1960. They were in decline prior to your previous ban, they declined during your ban, and they have declined long after your 10 year ban was lifted. According to the FBI’s data3 for 2010, more murders were committed by knives or cutting instruments than rifles in every state except Wyoming. You were 4.76 times as likely to be murdered by knife or cutting instrument as by rifle. These numbers are not even broken down by type of rifle so unfortunately I can’t say how many were by what you define as an “assault rifle” but I am quite sure the numbers would be even less.

Now let’s discuss school shootings. The highest death toll in US history for a school shooting was the Bath school massacre in Bath Township4, Michigan in 1927 with a death toll of 44, 38 who were children. This was all done with explosives. The second highest death toll was Virginia Tech5 with 32 casualties and all done with two hand guns and multiple magazines. Third highest death toll was Sandy Hook6 with 27 casualties and while the AR15 was used the assailant also carried 2 pistols with the same rate of fire as the AR15. Fourth highest death toll was Columbine7 committed by two individuals with illegally purchased weapons that resulted in 15 fatalities. The weapons used were primarily shotguns and handguns with one carbine being used. This was during the middle of your previous weapons ban. The fifth highest death toll was University of Texas8 in 1966 with 14 deaths. The shooter used an M1 rifle. So out of the 5 worst school shootings in the US only 1 assault rifle was used unless you add the carbine at Columbine which fires 9mm ammunition, a common handgun caliber.

So the statistics and data are pretty clear on this matter. The majority of gun deaths are attributed to hand guns in the US. A large majority of these hand gun deaths can be attributed to gang violence in America. Rifles are rarely used to commit crimes and according to the same FBI data noted earlier for 2010, more people were killed with shotguns than rifles.

So if you a citizen of the US is 4.76 times more likely to die by stabbing than by a rifle, why are you pressing so hard to push legislation that affects millions of law abiding and responsible gun owners that will affect their right to purchase a semi-automatic rifle? I can think of only two possibilities. Either you are ignorant to the facts in the matter or you are using the issue for political gain and for the media attention.

We all agree that the Sandy Hook shooting was a terrible tragedy as were all the other shooting incidents that have occurred. I believe we need to address real issues that can help mitigate these types of incidents from happening. We also need to face the reality that no laws of any type will completely protect us from a determined and deranged individual from committing one of these acts of terror. The best we can do is make an active attempt to identify and stop them prior to them acting. I believe we need to put in place a well-trained guard force for our schools. These guards should have specific training dealing with an active shooter situation in a school environment. They should be required to train at least every 6 months and they should be required to meet a physical and mental test to ensure their capability to perform their duties. Teachers I do not feel should be armed, however if they were to complete the specific training required, wished to arm themselves for defense, and had a secure and safe way to store a weapon in a school environment then I don’t think that right should be denied them. We need to address mental health in this country and find a way to require anyone with mental issues to be reported to the national database for background checks when purchasing a weapon. I also believe we need to do 100% background checks. We have thousands of out of work veterans who are qualified to guard our schools. Why don’t we put them to work? And finally, no type of registration for what you deem assault rifles should be implemented. It treats law abiding citizens like criminals and many will not register due to fear of confiscation at a later date. Thus you will have effectively turned those citizens into criminals due to some unfair and unnecessary legislation.

So I challenge you Sen. Feinstein to refute the evidence here and find a true justifiable reason to push this ban other than preying on the fear of the uninformed.
Sincerely,
Timothy Ammons


1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-CLsMRcA0
2. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf
3. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_tech_massacre
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

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